Heavy And Light

[A2B]

Fewer duties = fewer jobs

[Perseus]

I still don’t get why the union are throwing a hissy fit over the ODM. Ok it’s not gunna work but does anything in delivery even work now anyway? It’ll just be a different kind of mess. Making it work is up to RM not the union.
ODM will mean less jobs in delivery but nobody is going to be forced out as we all know RM lose staff every week without having to lift a finger. The union should be trading ODM for full equalisation of new starters and then fully support us in every single delivery office when we leave stuff in every day because it’s impossible. We still have a start and finish time no matter what crap they bring in.
It’s looks like we could be a few weeks away from being balloted for strike action over this and it all seems so pointless as the job is already f****d anyway!

Exactly. The CWU should have focussed their energies in trading ODM for equalisation and driver paid training for anyone who doesn't drive - to allow for a break for everyone from having to do 2-3 days mail constantly and everyone gets more Saturdays off.

[norris9]

So are you happy just to ignore equalising contracts which Royal Mail agreed to put right ?

That has nothing to do with me. That's between the CWU, the newer contracted posties and Royal Mail.

[chickenwittle]

So are you happy just to ignore equalising contracts which Royal Mail agreed to put right ?

That has nothing to do with me. That's between the CWU, the newer contracted posties and Royal Mail.

I’m alright Jack , bet your colleagues appreciate your support.

[chickenwittle]

I still don’t get why the union are throwing a hissy fit over the ODM. Ok it’s not gunna work but does anything in delivery even work now anyway? It’ll just be a different kind of mess. Making it work is up to RM not the union.
ODM will mean less jobs in delivery but nobody is going to be forced out as we all know RM lose staff every week without having to lift a finger. The union should be trading ODM for full equalisation of new starters and then fully support us in every single delivery office when we leave stuff in every day because it’s impossible. We still have a start and finish time no matter what crap they bring in.
It’s looks like we could be a few weeks away from being balloted for strike action over this and it all seems so pointless as the job is already f****d anyway!

Exactly. The CWU should have focussed their energies in trading ODM for equalisation and driver paid training for anyone who doesn't drive - to allow for a break for everyone from having to do 2-3 days mail constantly and everyone gets more Saturdays off.

So do you think it’s right to force people to drive for Royal Mail that don’t want to ?

[broughts]

Good luck with the strike ballot on this one the amount of new starts that crossed the picket line in the last strike aren’t going to get much support or I maybe wrong

[A2B]

So do you think it’s right to force people to drive for Royal Mail that don’t want to ?

And the thought that RM would pay for people to have driving lessons still makes me laugh, I feel Perseus is on a crusade regarding driving

[Perseus]

I still don’t get why the union are throwing a hissy fit over the ODM. Ok it’s not gunna work but does anything in delivery even work now anyway? It’ll just be a different kind of mess. Making it work is up to RM not the union.
ODM will mean less jobs in delivery but nobody is going to be forced out as we all know RM lose staff every week without having to lift a finger. The union should be trading ODM for full equalisation of new starters and then fully support us in every single delivery office when we leave stuff in every day because it’s impossible. We still have a start and finish time no matter what crap they bring in.
It’s looks like we could be a few weeks away from being balloted for strike action over this and it all seems so pointless as the job is already f****d anyway!

Exactly. The CWU should have focussed their energies in trading ODM for equalisation and driver paid training for anyone who doesn't drive - to allow for a break for everyone from having to do 2-3 days mail constantly and everyone gets more Saturdays off.

So do you think it’s right to force people to drive for Royal Mail that don’t want to ?

Therein lies one of the issues. People see it as being forced to do something, rather than a positive that will benefit them. In case you haven’t noticed RM are running the letters part of the business right down and in a few years time it’ll be letters maybe once a week. Then what?

[chickenwittle]

I still don’t get why the union are throwing a hissy fit over the ODM. Ok it’s not gunna work but does anything in delivery even work now anyway? It’ll just be a different kind of mess. Making it work is up to RM not the union.
ODM will mean less jobs in delivery but nobody is going to be forced out as we all know RM lose staff every week without having to lift a finger. The union should be trading ODM for full equalisation of new starters and then fully support us in every single delivery office when we leave stuff in every day because it’s impossible. We still have a start and finish time no matter what crap they bring in.
It’s looks like we could be a few weeks away from being balloted for strike action over this and it all seems so pointless as the job is already f****d anyway!

Exactly. The CWU should have focussed their energies in trading ODM for equalisation and driver paid training for anyone who doesn't drive - to allow for a break for everyone from having to do 2-3 days mail constantly and everyone gets more Saturdays off.

So do you think it’s right to force people to drive for Royal Mail that don’t want to ?

Therein lies one of the issues. People see it as being forced to do something, rather than a positive that will benefit them. In case you haven’t noticed RM are running the letters part of the business right down and in a few years time it’ll be letters maybe once a week. Then what?

You didn’t answer my question, people have contracts stating they don’t have to drive for Royal Mail , do you think they should be forced to ?

[Perseus]

I don’t think anyone should be ‘forced’ to do anything, and they can’t be.

[TopperGas]

I still don’t get why the union are throwing a hissy fit over the ODM. Ok it’s not gunna work but does anything in delivery even work now anyway? It’ll just be a different kind of mess. Making it work is up to RM not the union.
ODM will mean less jobs in delivery but nobody is going to be forced out as we all know RM lose staff every week without having to lift a finger. The union should be trading ODM for full equalisation of new starters and then fully support us in every single delivery office when we leave stuff in every day because it’s impossible. We still have a start and finish time no matter what crap they bring in.
It’s looks like we could be a few weeks away from being balloted for strike action over this and it all seems so pointless as the job is already f****d anyway!

Exactly. The CWU should have focussed their energies in trading ODM for equalisation and driver paid training for anyone who doesn't drive - to allow for a break for everyone from having to do 2-3 days mail constantly and everyone gets more Saturdays off.

So do you think it’s right to force people to drive for Royal Mail that don’t want to ?

Therein lies one of the issues. People see it as being forced to do something, rather than a positive that will benefit them. In case you haven’t noticed RM are running the letters part of the business right down and in a few years time it’ll be letters maybe once a week. Then what?

You didn’t answer my question, people have contracts stating they don’t have to drive for Royal Mail , do you think they should be forced to ?

It's like saying should a shelf stacker at a supermarket be forced to work on the tills, if the job requires it then why not, I could never understand why drivers and non drivers received the same rate of pay, when the latter has no risk of having an accident or be caught speeding etc.

Eventually letters will reduce so much they won't he need for non drivers anyway, that's probably only around 5 years away

[chickenwittle]

I still don’t get why the union are throwing a hissy fit over the ODM. Ok it’s not gunna work but does anything in delivery even work now anyway? It’ll just be a different kind of mess. Making it work is up to RM not the union.
ODM will mean less jobs in delivery but nobody is going to be forced out as we all know RM lose staff every week without having to lift a finger. The union should be trading ODM for full equalisation of new starters and then fully support us in every single delivery office when we leave stuff in every day because it’s impossible. We still have a start and finish time no matter what crap they bring in.
It’s looks like we could be a few weeks away from being balloted for strike action over this and it all seems so pointless as the job is already f****d anyway!

Exactly. The CWU should have focussed their energies in trading ODM for equalisation and driver paid training for anyone who doesn't drive - to allow for a break for everyone from having to do 2-3 days mail constantly and everyone gets more Saturdays off.

So do you think it’s right to force people to drive for Royal Mail that don’t want to ?

Therein lies one of the issues. People see it as being forced to do something, rather than a positive that will benefit them. In case you haven’t noticed RM are running the letters part of the business right down and in a few years time it’ll be letters maybe once a week. Then what?

You didn’t answer my question, people have contracts stating they don’t have to drive for Royal Mail , do you think they should be forced to ?

It's like saying should a shelf stacker at a supermarket be forced to work on the tills, if the job requires it then why not, I could never understand why drivers and non drivers received the same rate of pay, when the latter has no risk of having an accident or be caught speeding etc.

Eventually letters will reduce so much they won't he need for non drivers anyway, that's probably only around 5 years away

It’s really not .If the contract you signed on entering the job requires you not to drive , why should you ? Some people just don’t like driving, whether you work for Royal Mail or not .

[chickenwittle]

And I’m a driver by the way so I’m not coming at this in a defensive way , it’s just what your contract says.

[Acca Dacca]

I still don’t get why the union are throwing a hissy fit over the ODM. Ok it’s not gunna work but does anything in delivery even work now anyway? It’ll just be a different kind of mess. Making it work is up to RM not the union.
ODM will mean less jobs in delivery but nobody is going to be forced out as we all know RM lose staff every week without having to lift a finger. The union should be trading ODM for full equalisation of new starters and then fully support us in every single delivery office when we leave stuff in every day because it’s impossible. We still have a start and finish time no matter what crap they bring in.
It’s looks like we could be a few weeks away from being balloted for strike action over this and it all seems so pointless as the job is already f****d anyway!

Exactly. The CWU should have focussed their energies in trading ODM for equalisation and driver paid training for anyone who doesn't drive - to allow for a break for everyone from having to do 2-3 days mail constantly and everyone gets more Saturdays off.

So do you think it’s right to force people to drive for Royal Mail that don’t want to ?

Therein lies one of the issues. People see it as being forced to do something, rather than a positive that will benefit them. In case you haven’t noticed RM are running the letters part of the business right down and in a few years time it’ll be letters maybe once a week. Then what?

You didn’t answer my question, people have contracts stating they don’t have to drive for Royal Mail , do you think they should be forced to ?

It's like saying should a shelf stacker at a supermarket be forced to work on the tills, if the job requires it then why not,

Its really not - thats an absolutely stupid comparison for a multitude of reasons.

When contracted non drivers were employed by Royal Mail there was no requirement to drive, it wasnt a driving job - Royal Mail moved the goalposts years after those non drivers were employed. Its not their fault RM want the job to be for drivers only now.

[TopperGas]

I still don’t get why the union are throwing a hissy fit over the ODM. Ok it’s not gunna work but does anything in delivery even work now anyway? It’ll just be a different kind of mess. Making it work is up to RM not the union.
ODM will mean less jobs in delivery but nobody is going to be forced out as we all know RM lose staff every week without having to lift a finger. The union should be trading ODM for full equalisation of new starters and then fully support us in every single delivery office when we leave stuff in every day because it’s impossible. We still have a start and finish time no matter what crap they bring in.
It’s looks like we could be a few weeks away from being balloted for strike action over this and it all seems so pointless as the job is already f****d anyway!

Exactly. The CWU should have focussed their energies in trading ODM for equalisation and driver paid training for anyone who doesn't drive - to allow for a break for everyone from having to do 2-3 days mail constantly and everyone gets more Saturdays off.

So do you think it’s right to force people to drive for Royal Mail that don’t want to ?

Therein lies one of the issues. People see it as being forced to do something, rather than a positive that will benefit them. In case you haven’t noticed RM are running the letters part of the business right down and in a few years time it’ll be letters maybe once a week. Then what?

You didn’t answer my question, people have contracts stating they don’t have to drive for Royal Mail , do you think they should be forced to ?

It's like saying should a shelf stacker at a supermarket be forced to work on the tills, if the job requires it then why not,

Its really not - thats an absolutely stupid comparison for a multitude of reasons.

When contracted non drivers were employed by Royal Mail there was no requirement to drive, it wasnt a driving job - Royal Mail moved the goalposts years after those non drivers were employed. Its not their fault RM want the job to be for drivers only now.

It's hardly RM's fault either that customers needs have changed, years ago we didn't use PDA's now we all have to use them, is driving a van really any different to using a PDA if you have a driving license and regularly drive a car? If somebody has never driven then that's a different issue and it may mean their role becomes redundant in the future.