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8 walks and 7 people

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Re: 8 walks and 7 people

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Perseus wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 19:52
I doubt it's going to be something as simple as chopping 8 into 7 for instance.
I could pick 4 duties in ours and maybe another 7.
The 4 duties take longer (in man hours) to deliver than the 7.

Easily 2 hours difference from one to the next.
That makes no sense, surely posties are not happy to work 2 hours longer each day than their colleagues on the shorter walks, or have they been set up as the posties are content to work 2 hours OT every day?

If 2c only goes out Monday to Friday then Monday's & Tuesday's will be interesting as one round will have Friday's Saturday's and Monday's 2c to deliver plus a slice of the 8th round on the Monday, and the other Saturday's, Monday's & Tuesday's plus a slice of the 8th round to deliver on the Tuesday. Later on in the week will also be heavy going when you have to deliver Wednesday's & Thursday's 2c and Thursday's and Friday's 2c.
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Re: 8 walks and 7 people

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It's the product of not having a revision for so long, and some duties having new developments bolted onto them due to their close proximity to existing run.
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Re: 8 walks and 7 people

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Perseus wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 17:55
Wait, are there redundancies?
Good luck, there's not enough staff now!
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Re: 8 walks and 7 people

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From my understanding the new proposed ODM looks like.
Van shares will take out one side fully and the other side first class and tracked only. This will alternate each day. They will also take some of the duty that's been chopped up and that's where the saving is. Actually won't be too bad and maybe less walking than now as you're only doing once side a day and a bit from another duty.
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Re: 8 walks and 7 people

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funkflex55 wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 22:27
From my understanding the new proposed ODM looks like.
Van shares will take out one side fully and the other side first class and tracked only. This will alternate each day. They will also take some of the duty that's been chopped up and that's where the saving is. Actually won't be too bad and maybe less walking than now as you're only doing once side a day and a bit from another duty.
That’s more than what we’re doing now at our office. Our walks are way to big.
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Re: 8 walks and 7 people

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There's still so many unknowns, the CWU mention that RM continue to mess up by planning everything with a one system for all offices and then put forward their own plan which seems to suggest doing exactly the same thing.

Until something is agreed and a plan is made for my office I will do my best to forget about ODM
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Re: 8 walks and 7 people

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funkflex55 wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 22:27
Van shares will take out one side fully and the other side first class and tracked only. This will alternate each day. They will also take some of the duty that's been chopped up and that's where the saving is.
Surely that can only work seasonally (which is effectively the reintroduction of summer lapsing by another name)? We already alternate, or I should say we did until packets became so overwhelming the last two weeks that we've just been doing SDs, Tracked, and 1C on both sides for days on end.

Summer was the only time we had the slightest bit of capacity to take extra and we sure as hell didn't run round volunteering for more work. Duties would have to be scaled back from the impossible to create scope for lapsing outside the summer bloc, but then say adios to the savings when you have to stick 50 duties back in.
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Re: 8 walks and 7 people

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They've been messing about since the beginning of the year, it can't be that hard to plan a revision so it's doable to take 1 walk one day, and the other the next, without any 7 into 8 rubbish.
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Re: 8 walks and 7 people

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claretandblue wrote:
07 Nov 2025, 06:35
They've been messing about since the beginning of the year, it can't be that hard to plan a revision so it's doable to take 1 walk one day, and the other the next, without any 7 into 8 rubbish.
Most of our duties are now so big it's impossible to complete two days mail on one day, I can't understand how some offices can manage it at this time of the year?

Why don't they just drop Saturday 2c for now and make everybody work Monday to Friday?
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Re: 8 walks and 7 people

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TopperGas wrote:
07 Nov 2025, 06:43
claretandblue wrote:
07 Nov 2025, 06:35
They've been messing about since the beginning of the year, it can't be that hard to plan a revision so it's doable to take 1 walk one day, and the other the next, without any 7 into 8 rubbish.
Most of our duties are now so big it's impossible to complete two days mail on one day, I can't understand how some offices can manage it at this time of the year?

Why don't they just drop Saturday 2c for now and make everybody work Monday to Friday?
Then you need a revision to put more duties back in, they normally plan and deploy a revision in a couple of months, all that work could have been done while they've been faffing about "having talks"
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Re: 8 walks and 7 people

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claretandblue wrote:
07 Nov 2025, 06:35
They've been messing about since the beginning of the year, it can't be that hard to plan a revision so it's doable to take 1 walk one day, and the other the next, without any 7 into 8 rubbish.
I know sounds really easy doesn't it, that's basically the odm that RM want, but....with duties that are achievable :thumbup
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Re: 8 walks and 7 people

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Remember that RM don't want the duties achievable. They don't want posties wasting a single minute if they finish the duty. Instead the duties stay too big and as long as the premium products are done then who cares if 2c goes back!
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Re: 8 walks and 7 people

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Re: 8 walks and 7 people

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I genuinely think RM are operating on a model of planned failure.

There aim is to prove the USO is unaffordable and unworkable, without scaling it back further.

So bringing in 4 in 3 suits them, because it'll do just that, fail. They then go to Ofcom to ask for a bigger reduction in the USO. Which I read they've already started the process on?

I guess Kretinsky wants a 3 day a week service as that would half the workforce needed for letters.