New Entrants 2022??

[Agencyoap]

After constantly being told by the unions that the company implemented the new Contract/TnCs on new entrants post strike August/Sept 2023 with out their knowledge or agreement - it turns out it’s absolute 100% lies and bollox

So they knew during the strike and whilst negotiating and agreeing terms, that there would be a two tier work force

They’re as corrupt as the company

[POSTMAN]

We want to continue being the leading employer in the industry with the best rates of pay and the best terms and conditions, but the reality is we pay significantly more than the competition, and this isn’t sustainable. Our competitors operate at a lower cost and can therefore charge lower prices.

One way to address this is through creating terms and conditions for new starters which are still much higher than our competitors but around 10% less than current employees. To offset this, a higher, market competitive overtime rate would be available.

2 tier workforce : Revised entry terms for new employees

[Mr Rush]

but the reality is we pay significantly more than the competition, and this isn’t sustainable. Our competitors operate at a lower cost and can therefore charge lower prices.

'Sir, he's cheating so I need to cheat too!'

What a strange predicament for a trade union. The CWU is arguing that we need to undo the gains won by [checks notes] the CWU.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

but the reality is we pay significantly more than the competition, and this isn’t sustainable. Our competitors operate at a lower cost and can therefore charge lower prices.

'Sir, he's cheating so I need to cheat too!'

What a strange predicament for a trade union. The CWU is arguing that we need to undo the gains won by [checks notes] the CWU.

Pointing out a fact isn't the same as putting an argument forward.
The end goal is equalisation but it is also fact that the company has greater financial restraints than it's competitors.
It is because of the union and the terms and conditions they have fought for and we rightly deserve that those costs occur.
Sick pay, holiday pay, structured working week e.t.c
It's why they wanted to bring in owner drivers during the strikes and the union saw that off.
A greater unionised delivery industry would help but I think that is unlikely.
The cost of delivering a parcel needs to rise across the board.

[Pidleypoo]

but the reality is we pay significantly more than the competition, and this isn’t sustainable. Our competitors operate at a lower cost and can therefore charge lower prices.

'Sir, he's cheating so I need to cheat too!'

What a strange predicament for a trade union. The CWU is arguing that we need to undo the gains won by [checks notes] the CWU.

Pointing out a fact isn't the same as putting an argument forward.
The end goal is equalisation but it is also fact that the company has greater financial restraints than it's competitors.
It is because of the union and the terms and conditions they have fought for and we rightly deserve that those costs occur.
Sick pay, holiday pay, structured working week e.t.c
It's why they wanted to bring in owner drivers during the strikes and the union saw that off.
A greater unionised delivery industry would help but I think that is unlikely.
The cost of delivering a parcel needs to rise across the board.

What really needs to happen is an outlawing of the exploitation of workers by the other delivery companies.

Shocking that they’re effectively getting away with paying lower than minimum wage.

I asked an evri guy on my round the other day how much he got per parcel and to be above minimum wage for the hours he worked he’d have to deliver about 250 parcels…… using his own car and phone too.

That’s why we can’t compete.

[steve1873]

After constantly being told by the unions that the company implemented the new Contract/TnCs on new entrants post strike August/Sept 2023 with out their knowledge or agreement - it turns out it’s absolute 100% lies and bollox

So they knew during the strike and whilst negotiating and agreeing terms, that there would be a two tier work force

They’re as corrupt as the company

Wait what? We weren't on strike August or September of 2023. The strikes ended at end of December 2022. The new contracts went live on December 1st 2022.

[Kenfandango]

Our "competitors" all tripped over themselves to compete with Amazon's "free, next day" Prime delivery which is now largely a thing of the past (I cancelled my prime membership last year as the delivery dates were all 48+ hours on prime items.)

This race to compete with another business' unsustainable model has driven an increase in doorstepping, parcel theft and- I assume- road traffic accidents, and a decrease in the quality of service...

Royal mail should (and could) sell themselves on their reliability, their level of care- when faced with a list of companies to choose, the public would rather pay a bit extra to know their parcels aren't going to sit outside a neighbours door in the rain. But no we have to lower our parcel prices and encourage our DPR drivers to deliver ever more parcels per hour, first time so we can "compete" against companies who are playing a totally different game to us

[A2B]

I think RM's answer to a lot of that are parcel lockers, Amazon have been offering money off if you choose a parcel drop point rather than residential address so they obviously are looking in that direction.

[sindba]

Royal mail should (and could) sell themselves on their reliability, their level of care- when faced with a list of companies to choose, the public would rather pay a bit extra to know their parcels aren't going to sit outside a neighbours door in the rain. But no we have to lower our parcel prices and encourage our DPR drivers to deliver ever more parcels per hour, first time so we can "compete" against companies who are playing a totally different game to us

You mean we should play to our strengths to get an edge in the market? What madness!

No, we should clearly get rid of the one big advantage we have over our competition and sink to their crappy level, that makes far more business sense.

Thank goodness we've got galaxy brained business whizzes running RM and not plebs like you. More doorstepping! Chuck it over the hedge! Modernise!

[ted_e_bear]

Royal mail should (and could) sell themselves on their reliability, their level of care- when faced with a list of companies to choose, the public would rather pay a bit extra to know their parcels aren't going to sit outside a neighbours door in the rain. But no we have to lower our parcel prices and encourage our DPR drivers to deliver ever more parcels per hour, first time so we can "compete" against companies who are playing a totally different game to us

You mean we should play to our strengths to get an edge in the market? What madness!

No, we should clearly get rid of the one big advantage we have over our competition and sink to their crappy level, that makes far more business sense.

Thank goodness we've got galaxy brained business whizzes running RM and not plebs like you. More doorstepping! Chuck it over the hedge! Modernise!

I know I thought the same, charge a higher rate for a premium service, yes I know we won't get as much business but maybe we'll get the amount of business we can cope with to provide the premium service and still make the same profit as chasing like idiots trying to get every contract going at a cheap low rate that yearns less profit.

Pile it high and sell it cheap whilst maintaining a decent service obviously doesn't work in this industry.

[TopperGas]

Our "competitors" all tripped over themselves to compete with Amazon's "free, next day" Prime delivery which is now largely a thing of the past (I cancelled my prime membership last year as the delivery dates were all 48+ hours on prime items.)

This race to compete with another business' unsustainable model has driven an increase in doorstepping, parcel theft and- I assume- road traffic accidents, and a decrease in the quality of service...

Royal mail should (and could) sell themselves on their reliability, their level of care- when faced with a list of companies to choose, the public would rather pay a bit extra to know their parcels aren't going to sit outside a neighbours door in the rain. But no we have to lower our parcel prices and encourage our DPR drivers to deliver ever more parcels per hour, first time so we can "compete" against companies who are playing a totally different game to us

I'm not sure there is any evidence to support that view, if they did then wouldn't they have chosen RM rather than Ervi in the past? Although a lot of customers have no choice in who the seller chooses to use to send the parcel.

[Mr Rush]

I know we won't get as much business but maybe we'll get the amount of business we can cope with to provide the premium service and still make the same profit as chasing like idiots trying to get every contract going at a cheap low rate that yearns less profit.

The combined one-two of declining business mail and the conversion over to DSA of what remained wrecked the cross-subsidy which underpinned the universal service. Packets were supposed to plug that revenue gap and for a decade after privatisation that largely held, until the last few years when the oversaturation of Tracked (not a USO product) has meant that the delivery of the thing they are meant to prop up simply doesn't happen at all. So what's the point?

When a subsidy ceases to be spent it becomes a bigger profit. That suited shareholders when it was RM plc. That suits private equity now that EP Group owns it and wants to pay off that loan and then some. Expect a £40m fine next year as pocketing the cash for letters and then sitting on them until Tracked die down mid-month is too sweet to give up.