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An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
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ted_e_bear
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An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
Just received this from the CWU WhatsApp group
An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
We sat down with Deputy General Secretary Postal, Martin Walsh and discussed this week's negotiations, New Entrants Equalisation, USO, Sick Pay, Overtime Rates, Incentive Scheme and more.
Lots of new information - please give it a watch.
An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
We sat down with Deputy General Secretary Postal, Martin Walsh and discussed this week's negotiations, New Entrants Equalisation, USO, Sick Pay, Overtime Rates, Incentive Scheme and more.
Lots of new information - please give it a watch.
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Woody84
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Re: An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
Same old gaslighting BS.
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Valentina@1
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Re: An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
The mumbler returns



How embarrassing!!
How embarrassing!!
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yellowbelly
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Re: An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
Yada, yada, yada...nothing.
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goldy2007
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Re: An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
So if we have currently about 20k new starters in employment
And 27,000 new entrants have left already since 2022
So almost 50k in total
And of the original entrants on new terms and conditions in 2022
Just 146 are left
Jaw dropping numbers and RM try’s to say it’s seniority that is the problem
And 27,000 new entrants have left already since 2022
So almost 50k in total
And of the original entrants on new terms and conditions in 2022
Just 146 are left
Jaw dropping numbers and RM try’s to say it’s seniority that is the problem
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norris9
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Re: An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
I doubt many post 2022 'new starts' have left because they feel they should be getting ÂŁ1.17 extra an hour.... they have likely left because they want ÂŁ15+ an hour in a different job, or because duties were made excessively big in 2023.
I am sure a tonne of legacy staff have left in the past 3 years also.
Posties get demoralised when the workload does not match our hours and all we get is stick from management for not performing miracles.
I am sure a tonne of legacy staff have left in the past 3 years also.
Posties get demoralised when the workload does not match our hours and all we get is stick from management for not performing miracles.
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Rommagic
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Re: An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
How many long term staff have left since 2022?.
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postslippete
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Re: An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
RM’s £12 million profit on £8–9 billion turnover is wafer thin - just 0.15%! It helps justify their push for USO reform whilst weakening the case for major pay improvements. But is this the full story? Since the split into IDS, RM’s losses have been heavily emphasised even though hundreds of millions have been ploughed into automation, parcel hubs, vans and parcel lockers - which are all capital expenditure rather than operational loss.
Equalising new entrants on “Martini” contracts as Martin calls them, may cost around £164 million which is significant, but not unaffordable. With roughly 20,000 new entrants on inferior terms potentially saving the company over £100 million a year, full EQ is more a question of will than means. And every new recruit on lower pay moves the goalposts even further away
Royal Mail are using USO reform as a bargaining tool, effectively holding workforce improvements hostage. Yet the ODM model has already failed, as shown by Ofcom’s £21 million fine, and this new “heavy/light” approach feels more like rebranding than real reform to me.
The company continues to manage decline by extracting savings while lobbying for a looser USO rather than investing in its workforce or quality of service. And the CWU are stuck between the rock of both improving the inferior contracts and defending its existing members and the hard place of having limited leverage while the company controls the financial narrative.
Until both sides agree on what Royal Mail should be - a regulated public service provider or a profit-driven parcel business - these cycles of dispute will keep repeating. And because the company constantly frames the USO as a financial burden, everything else is being tied to it.
Equalising new entrants on “Martini” contracts as Martin calls them, may cost around £164 million which is significant, but not unaffordable. With roughly 20,000 new entrants on inferior terms potentially saving the company over £100 million a year, full EQ is more a question of will than means. And every new recruit on lower pay moves the goalposts even further away
Royal Mail are using USO reform as a bargaining tool, effectively holding workforce improvements hostage. Yet the ODM model has already failed, as shown by Ofcom’s £21 million fine, and this new “heavy/light” approach feels more like rebranding than real reform to me.
The company continues to manage decline by extracting savings while lobbying for a looser USO rather than investing in its workforce or quality of service. And the CWU are stuck between the rock of both improving the inferior contracts and defending its existing members and the hard place of having limited leverage while the company controls the financial narrative.
Until both sides agree on what Royal Mail should be - a regulated public service provider or a profit-driven parcel business - these cycles of dispute will keep repeating. And because the company constantly frames the USO as a financial burden, everything else is being tied to it.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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RHONE
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Re: An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
Extremely well put ......postslippete wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025, 18:13RM’s £12 million profit on £8–9 billion turnover is wafer thin - just 0.15%! It helps justify their push for USO reform whilst weakening the case for major pay improvements. But is this the full story? Since the split into IDS, RM’s losses have been heavily emphasised even though hundreds of millions have been ploughed into automation, parcel hubs, vans and parcel lockers - which are all capital expenditure rather than operational loss.
Equalising new entrants on “Martini” contracts as Martin calls them, may cost around £164 million which is significant, but not unaffordable. With roughly 20,000 new entrants on inferior terms potentially saving the company over £100 million a year, full EQ is more a question of will than means. And every new recruit on lower pay moves the goalposts even further away
Royal Mail are using USO reform as a bargaining tool, effectively holding workforce improvements hostage. Yet the ODM model has already failed, as shown by Ofcom’s £21 million fine, and this new “heavy/light” approach feels more like rebranding than real reform to me.
The company continues to manage decline by extracting savings while lobbying for a looser USO rather than investing in its workforce or quality of service. And the CWU are stuck between the rock of both improving the inferior contracts and defending its existing members and the hard place of having limited leverage while the company controls the financial narrative.
Until both sides agree on what Royal Mail should be - a regulated public service provider or a profit-driven parcel business - these cycles of dispute will keep repeating. And because the company constantly frames the USO as a financial burden, everything else is being tied to it.
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A2B
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Re: An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
The OFCOM fine has little to do with ODM, offices up and down the UK who haven't had any part of ODM implemented are failing daily. RM are a parcel company who are currently trying to deliver letters as a side hussle.
Unfortunately for both old and new staff the only way I see any equalisation of pay is the new starts get an incremental improvement, paid breaks? while older contracts tread water. RM are not going to pay to equalise contracts in one go if they do it at all.
All this dragging on is running the clock down to when RM are released from the agreement they made at the change of ownership
Unfortunately for both old and new staff the only way I see any equalisation of pay is the new starts get an incremental improvement, paid breaks? while older contracts tread water. RM are not going to pay to equalise contracts in one go if they do it at all.
All this dragging on is running the clock down to when RM are released from the agreement they made at the change of ownership
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ted_e_bear
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Re: An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
I like the parcel company with a letter side hustle analogy, throw in d2ds as well, it really is about time they decided what direction they want to go and maybe inform the rest of usA2B wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025, 18:48The OFCOM fine has little to do with ODM, offices up and down the UK who haven't had any part of ODM implemented are failing daily. RM are a parcel company who are currently trying to deliver letters as a side hussle.
Unfortunately for both old and new staff the only way I see any equalisation of pay is the new starts get an incremental improvement, paid breaks? while older contracts tread water. RM are not going to pay to equalise contracts in one go if they do it at all.
All this dragging on is running the clock down to when RM are released from the agreement they made at the change of ownership
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goldy2007
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Re: An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
Be another fine incoming next yearA2B wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025, 18:48The OFCOM fine has little to do with ODM, offices up and down the UK who haven't had any part of ODM implemented are failing daily. RM are a parcel company who are currently trying to deliver letters as a side hussle.
Unfortunately for both old and new staff the only way I see any equalisation of pay is the new starts get an incremental improvement, paid breaks? while older contracts tread water. RM are not going to pay to equalise contracts in one go if they do it at all.
All this dragging on is running the clock down to when RM are released from the agreement they made at the change of ownership
But RM will always pay as it cheaper than addressing staffing issue
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A2B
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Re: An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
Well fortunately for us and unfortunately for RM they are still tied very loosely to the USO, once that goes they won't be taking any work if they can't turn a good profit from itted_e_bear wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025, 18:57
I like the parcel company with a letter side hustle analogy, throw in d2ds as well, it really is about time they decided what direction they want to go and maybe inform the rest of us![]()
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goldy2007
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Re: An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
The decrease in standards of RM Delivery and customer service since the imposed revision of 22/23
has been that bad it can only have been intentional
has been that bad it can only have been intentional
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postslippete
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Re: An update for Royal Mail Group Members.
Spot on. They will likely swallow another fine if it's cheaper than fixing the real problems. After the 3rd fine running it's become part of the business model and the day that RM finally wriggles free from the USO, they will cherry-pick whatever brings the best margin and the rest of the network will be left to rot.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.