More mass exodus from delivery...

[Wullie10]

IMHO too much experience/length of service can often be a negative thing, especially if “veterans” make up a disproportionately large proportion of the workforce. It means, for example, there is often a resigned negativity about the job and an erroneous viewpoint that the job has gone down the pan; reluctance and pushback against modernising things changing work practices, changing workplace culture, eradicating misogyny, racism, homophobia where those behaviours are taking place, etc, etc.

A very simplistic view. On the other hand a loyal hard working dedicated workers some in pain after years of walking and lifting weights. Can't see how skipping along singing zippe e doo da waving pride flags will improve things but each to their own. I see two problems. The Age 60 pension has to be taken. If you not getting state pension till 67 it's all a bit pointless but maybe enough to move on elsewhere with less money and less stress. Secondly RM refuse to alter shift patterns or reduce hours for their ageing workforce. They virtue signal their concern but in reality they'll work you till you drop.

[derekm]

From what you read on here nowadays is that royal mail has set out what it intended to do and that is divide the workforce. If you remember Simon Thompson said posties are doing no more than someone working in a supermarket so that's how pay should be. Obviously its come back to bite them with staff leaving due to workload & and finding out others being paid more for doing same job but also new starters not joining the union because they feel they should have done more to prevent it.

[heraldmoth]

I mean there is several reasons really. The one that really pisses people off in my experience from talking to people who have joined(then left) is finding out you're doing the same job as someone next to you for less money.

They are doing the job they agreed to do for the money offered, running around and doorstepping and rolling in when the notion takes you should not be rewarded by equal pay

[Timetomoveon]

Absolute rubbish, all we are employing now is lazy young workshy woke idiots that have no care for the customer or trying to provide a service

[Ted the dog]

On talking to posties in my my old d/o about the amount that they have to do now I’m glad I got medical retirement it was the be thing to happen to me

[Perseus]

It's entirely possible to have different situations in different offices where new/legacy and even a mix of both don't pull their weight - come on, it's Royal Mail, where offices a few miles apart have wildly different ways of working.
We have hardworking, dedicated legacy staff, we also have legacy staff with a huge chip on their shoulder annoyed that they should be in semi retirement mode, like what happened in the past for the long serving staff when they first started 30 years ago. People determined to bring everyone else down with their hatred of the place.
We also have some incredibly hardworking new entrants who take some amount of crap off management, often due to management not wanting to rattle certain staffs cages. We also have some really incompetent new staff who are solely being employed as we are so desperate for staff.
Again it's entirely possible for offices to have a mix of all these, or skewed a certain way. Nothing surprises me in RM.

[hazzeem025]

IMHO too much experience/length of service can often be a negative thing, especially if “veterans” make up a disproportionately large proportion of the workforce. It means, for example, there is often a resigned negativity about the job and an erroneous viewpoint that the job has gone down the pan; reluctance and pushback against modernising things changing work practices, changing workplace culture, eradicating misogyny, racism, homophobia where those behaviours are taking place, etc, etc.

Never have I read a bigger load of shite in my life.

[Smoothbackground]

IMHO too much experience/length of service can often be a negative thing, especially if “veterans” make up a disproportionately large proportion of the workforce. It means, for example, there is often a resigned negativity about the job and an erroneous viewpoint that the job has gone down the pan; reluctance and pushback against modernising things changing work practices, changing workplace culture, eradicating misogyny, racism, homophobia where those behaviours are taking place, etc, etc.

Never have I read a bigger load of shite in my life.

You need to get out more then, chum. Then again, you clearly fall into the precise trap I’m referring to — your way of doing the job is, according to you, the only way. A good skill mix (aka experience) is essential in any workforce. Might come as a shock, but even dyed-in-the-wool veterans can learn a thing or two from “newbies” and people coming from outside.

[pinstripe]

[quote=Smoothbackground post_id=1142916 time=1759674738 user_id=125265 Might come as a shock, but even dyed-in-the-wool veterans can learn a thing or two from “newbies” and people coming from outside.
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Like what? How to door step? How to be unable to find an address after a week on a delivery? How to forget about d2ds? How to act like a toddler because you are being paid exactly what the job you applied for stated? How to moan because your terms and conditions are exactly what you were told they would be? And how it is all the fault of the legacy staff

[Phantom]

It's quite simple, you can either do 8 hours working in all weathers for a firm that is an absolute chaos every day, especially in delivery or you can work 8 hours in HMV or an office job just doing basic admin for the same money.

Royal Mail have chosen this path, they've chosen not to staff it correctly, they've chosen to change contracts and pay low wages so people in the end will choose to walk away.

If you're in your 20's or 30's then get out now, go and retrain in something, there is no decent money in this job unless you're prepared to work 60+ hours a week. Get out now.

[Smoothbackground]

[quote=Smoothbackground post_id=1142916 time=1759674738 user_id=125265 Might come as a shock, but even dyed-in-the-wool veterans can learn a thing or two from “newbies” and people coming from outside.

Like what? How to door step? How to be unable to find an address after a week on a delivery? How to forget about d2ds? How to act like a toddler because you are being paid exactly what the job you applied for stated? How to moan because your terms and conditions are exactly what you were told they would be? And how it is all the fault of the legacy staff

Why don’t you think up some realistic examples for yourself? Of course your outdated, inefficient way of working is the only way, and of course you really do know best

[stevejm]

[quote=Smoothbackground post_id=1142916 time=1759674738 user_id=125265 Might come as a shock, but even dyed-in-the-wool veterans can learn a thing or two from “newbies” and people coming from outside.

Like what? How to door step? How to be unable to find an address after a week on a delivery? How to forget about d2ds? How to act like a toddler because you are being paid exactly what the job you applied for stated? How to moan because your terms and conditions are exactly what you were told they would be? And how it is all the fault of the legacy staff

Why don’t you think up some realistic examples for yourself? Of course your outdated, inefficient way of working is the only way, and of course you really do know best

The most divisive poster on this forum bar non - a very toxic person with a massive chip on her shoulder.

[qwerty2]

[quote=Smoothbackground post_id=1142916 time=1759674738 user_id=125265 Might come as a shock, but even dyed-in-the-wool veterans can learn a thing or two from “newbies” and people coming from outside.

Like what? How to door step? How to be unable to find an address after a week on a delivery? How to forget about d2ds? How to act like a toddler because you are being paid exactly what the job you applied for stated? How to moan because your terms and conditions are exactly what you were told they would be? And how it is all the fault of the legacy staff

Why don’t you think up some realistic examples for yourself? Of course your outdated, inefficient way of working is the only way, and of course you really do know best

The most divisive poster on this forum bar non - a very toxic person with a massive chip on her shoulder.

Just like SkiSunday whose just got the boot

[pinstripe]

[quote=Smoothbackground post_id=1142916 time=1759674738 user_id=125265 Might come as a shock, but even dyed-in-the-wool veterans can learn a thing or two from “newbies” and people coming from outside.

Like what? How to door step? How to be unable to find an address after a week on a delivery? How to forget about d2ds? How to act like a toddler because you are being paid exactly what the job you applied for stated? How to moan because your terms and conditions are exactly what you were told they would be? And how it is all the fault of the legacy staff

Why don’t you think up some realistic examples for yourself? Of course your outdated, inefficient way of working is the only way, and of course you really do know best

You’re the one that said “dyed-in-the-wool veterans can learn a thing or two from “newbies” and people coming from outside”. Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and back up your claim? Oh, and just writing snarky comments isn’t enough to convince anyone.

Why don’t you question your manager, why don’t you demand that your manager pays you more, why don’t you demand RM change the contract that you willingly signed? No, you’d rather come on here and blame everyone else.

[Woody84]

[quote=Smoothbackground post_id=1142916 time=1759674738 user_id=125265 Might come as a shock, but even dyed-in-the-wool veterans can learn a thing or two from “newbies” and people coming from outside.

Like what? How to door step? How to be unable to find an address after a week on a delivery? How to forget about d2ds? How to act like a toddler because you are being paid exactly what the job you applied for stated? How to moan because your terms and conditions are exactly what you were told they would be? And how it is all the fault of the legacy staff

Why don’t you think up some realistic examples for yourself? Of course your outdated, inefficient way of working is the only way, and of course you really do know best

You’re the one that said “dyed-in-the-wool veterans can learn a thing or two from “newbies” and people coming from outside”. Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and back up your claim? Oh, and just writing snarky comments isn’t enough to convince anyone.

Why don’t you question your manager, why don’t you demand that your manager pays you more, why don’t you demand RM change the contract that you willingly signed? No, you’d rather come on here and blame everyone else.

It’s not the manager that sets the pay system, so badgering them would be a pointless task.

I didn’t know I’d be on a much lower wage for the entirety of my RM career than the person next to me doing the exact same job, why would I? I wanted a career change and went through the interview process and not once did it cross my mind I should ask if I’d be getting the same wage as everyone else, again why would it.

Infighting amongst new and older contracts is exactly what RM and imo the union want. It creates enough of a diversion that allows them to silent and eventually new contracts will outweigh older contracts and that’s when equalisation will be off the table. Equalisation helps everyone and not just the newbies being made up, it helps attract better skilled people and helps retain them which in turn helps every DO which helps lessen the burden on legacy folks that are being run into the ground.