More mass exodus from delivery...

[norris9]

If you have the following...

1. A singleton / solo van duty.
2. A duty that's completable 80%+ of the year.
3. Colleagues that you get on with.

Then this job is actually pretty enjoyable, especially in the summer.

If you have...

1. A van-share.
2. A duty that's unachievable most of the time.
3. Managers on your back.

Then this job is awful, especially in the winter.


It's why people have a love-hate relationship with working for Royal Mail, as you have months or years go by where everything is going smoothly, then things flip on their head.

I have flip-flopped from being so content with the job, to absolutely hating the place....to liking it, to hating it..... some days you feel you could just walk out the job there and then, others you realise it's an enjoyable job where if everything was always setup sensibly I could stay for life.

[sweepster70]

Absolute rubbish, all we are employing now is lazy young workshy woke idiots that have no care for the customer or trying to provide a service

At the large DO I work at the new starts are nearly all over 50s who've had other careers and a vast array of different life experiences beyond RM. We've got a few ex armed forces, an ex teacher, an ex HGV driver, ex engineers, an ex paralegal , recruitment consultant etc etc. I can only think of one youngster and she is definitely not workshy or lazy, you'd probably find her woke though. The only lazy ones I meet are people with 30+ years service who are bitter about modernisation and the end of the 1970s style militant unionised public sector gravy train . Jobs like RM and the railways pre privatisation were great places for the workshy to hide , easy jobs, strong unions and a job for life. At least most of us new contracts have other skills and could get jobs elsewhere. It must be quite depressing for those who have never worked outside of RM and feel institutionalised and scared to go elsewhere now that the jobs no longer easy anymore.

Another one that hasn't got a mind of their own and believe everything they are fed from the media.
You also express yourself as very angry and jealous.

[Judgee]

Absolute rubbish, all we are employing now is lazy young workshy woke idiots that have no care for the customer or trying to provide a service

At the large DO I work at the new starts are nearly all over 50s who've had other careers and a vast array of different life experiences beyond RM. We've got a few ex armed forces, an ex teacher, an ex HGV driver, ex engineers, an ex paralegal , recruitment consultant etc etc. I can only think of one youngster and she is definitely not workshy or lazy, you'd probably find her woke though. The only lazy ones I meet are people with 30+ years service who are bitter about modernisation and the end of the 1970s style militant unionised public sector gravy train . Jobs like RM and the railways pre privatisation were great places for the workshy to hide , easy jobs, strong unions and a job for life. At least most of us new contracts have other skills and could get jobs elsewhere. It must be quite depressing for those who have never worked outside of RM and feel institutionalised and scared to go elsewhere now that the jobs no longer easy anymore.

What a load of twaddle! At a guess I'd say 85% of new starts are indeed "lazy young workshy woke idiots that have no care for the customer or trying to provide a service". the only ones that try and complete every day are the long termers who still care for their customers! Not sure what planet you are on Jonathan Alsatian but I hope you enjoy it there away from the real world!

[Judgee]

Absolute rubbish, all we are employing now is lazy young workshy woke idiots that have no care for the customer or trying to provide a service

At the large DO I work at the new starts are nearly all over 50s who've had other careers and a vast array of different life experiences beyond RM. We've got a few ex armed forces, an ex teacher, an ex HGV driver, ex engineers, an ex paralegal , recruitment consultant etc etc. I can only think of one youngster and she is definitely not workshy or lazy, you'd probably find her woke though. The only lazy ones I meet are people with 30+ years service who are bitter about modernisation and the end of the 1970s style militant unionised public sector gravy train . Jobs like RM and the railways pre privatisation were great places for the workshy to hide , easy jobs, strong unions and a job for life. At least most of us new contracts have other skills and could get jobs elsewhere. It must be quite depressing for those who have never worked outside of RM and feel institutionalised and scared to go elsewhere now that the jobs no longer easy anymore.

What a load of twaddle! At a guess I'd say 85% of new starts are indeed "lazy young workshy woke idiots that have no care for the customer or trying to provide a service". The only staff that try and complete every day are the long termers who still care for their customers! Not sure what planet you are on Jonathan Alsatian but I hope you enjoy it there away from the real world!

[Judgee]

Absolute rubbish, all we are employing now is lazy young workshy woke idiots that have no care for the customer or trying to provide a service

At the large DO I work at the new starts are nearly all over 50s who've had other careers and a vast array of different life experiences beyond RM. We've got a few ex armed forces, an ex teacher, an ex HGV driver, ex engineers, an ex paralegal , recruitment consultant etc etc. I can only think of one youngster and she is definitely not workshy or lazy, you'd probably find her woke though. The only lazy ones I meet are people with 30+ years service who are bitter about modernisation and the end of the 1970s style militant unionised public sector gravy train . Jobs like RM and the railways pre privatisation were great places for the workshy to hide , easy jobs, strong unions and a job for life. At least most of us new contracts have other skills and could get jobs elsewhere. It must be quite depressing for those who have never worked outside of RM and feel institutionalised and scared to go elsewhere now that the jobs no longer easy anymore.

What a load of twaddle! At a guess I'd say 85% of new starts are indeed "lazy young workshy woke idiots that have no care for the customer or trying to provide a service" or thieves. The only staff that try and complete every day are the long termers who still care for their customers! Not sure what planet you are on Jonathan Alsatian but I hope you enjoy it there away from the real world!

[A2B]

IMHO too much experience/length of service can often be a negative thing, especially if “veterans” make up a disproportionately large proportion of the workforce. It means, for example, there is often a resigned negativity about the job and an erroneous viewpoint that the job has gone down the pan; reluctance and pushback against modernising things changing work practices, changing workplace culture, eradicating misogyny, racism, homophobia where those behaviours are taking place, etc, etc.

Serious question, did you you use an AI bot for your post?

[Jonathan Alsatian]

So only long term aka legacy staff care about providing a service? And 85% of new starters are lazy, thieving wokists? Come on Judgeee are you sure its not you thats talking "twaddle" and posting from another planet?

I'm often out doing packets until 9pm. It takes that length of time because I bother knocking on neighbours, writing out 739s, going round the back to find sheds and greenhouse to safe place items. Oh and thats after I've done a few loops of mail that the old timers haven't done. I do my job properly, been here just under a year, so find it objectionable reading posts saying all new starters are rubbish. By the way I'm no youngster either.

[Smoothbackground]

IMHO too much experience/length of service can often be a negative thing, especially if “veterans” make up a disproportionately large proportion of the workforce. It means, for example, there is often a resigned negativity about the job and an erroneous viewpoint that the job has gone down the pan; reluctance and pushback against modernising things changing work practices, changing workplace culture, eradicating misogyny, racism, homophobia where those behaviours are taking place, etc, etc.

Serious question, did you you use an AI bot for your post?

No, I didn’t use AI. The typos and at least two omitted commas I can spot on rereading my post above should serve to confirm that. Do you use AI to generate posts?

[Smoothbackground]

So only long term aka legacy staff care about providing a service? And 85% of new starters are lazy, thieving wokists? Come on Judgeee are you sure its not you thats talking "twaddle" and posting from another planet?

I'm often out doing packets until 9pm. It takes that length of time because I bother knocking on neighbours, writing out 739s, going round the back to find sheds and greenhouse to safe place items. Oh and thats after I've done a few loops of mail that the old timers haven't done. I do my job properly, been here just under a year, so find it objectionable reading posts saying all new starters are rubbish. By the way I'm no youngster either.

Good on you, mate. As you yourself know, and so too does every other FT new-entrant, we do a different, more wide-ranging job to the old-timers, and our work output/efficiency is expected by the business to be so much higher than our legacy-contract colleagues. Not meant to be a controversial statement — just a bare statement of fact.

As for Judgee’s “thieving” comment, the only two posties I’ve seen sacked for theft during my time here have both been long-serving colleagues, both with in excess of 15 years’ service.

[Jonathan Alsatian]

Thats a good point Smoothbackground about the much wider range of tasks we do. We're posties, dpr drivers, primary sorting of parcels, prepping people's frames, helping unload wagons, all sorts of tasks. And yet we don't get any of the additional supplements.

[pinstripe]

I'm often out doing packets until 9pm. It takes that length of time because I bother knocking on neighbours, writing out 739s, going round the back to find sheds and greenhouse to safe place items.

So you’re rummaging around in peoples back gardens at 9.00 at night, trying to open sheds and greenhouses. You’re going to get arrested

[thefox]

Thats a good point Smoothbackground about the much wider range of tasks we do. We're posties, dpr drivers, primary sorting of parcels, prepping people's frames, helping unload wagons, all sorts of tasks. And yet we don't get any of the additional supplements.

Apart from the dpr driver part everyone in our office does everything you listed there,legacy and new contracts .

[thefox]

I'm often out doing packets until 9pm. It takes that length of time because I bother knocking on neighbours, writing out 739s, going round the back to find sheds and greenhouse to safe place items.

So you’re rummaging around in peoples back gardens at 9.00 at night, trying to open sheds and greenhouses. You’re going to get arrested

was thinking that myself why not stop doing all of that and ye might finish earlier.

[NWpostie]

What is clear is there is a different business ethos before liberalisation of the post market and privatisation work culture was a lot better and people did care about the job and their customers, the difference between that and after privatisation is like night and day, there's only so much you could take before you decide to either do the job exactly like the book and resist pressure from the management or leave for a different job taking their experience with them.

Royal Mail is clearly at changing point where letters will be reduced considerably and parcels is the main bread and butter, this change could have better managed without alienating the workforce that delivers them.

[ted_e_bear]

If you have the following...

1. A singleton / solo van duty.
2. A duty that's completable 80%+ of the year.
3. Colleagues that you get on with.

Then this job is actually pretty enjoyable, especially in the summer.

If you have...

1. A van-share.
2. A duty that's unachievable most of the time.
3. Managers on your back.

Then this job is awful, especially in the winter.


It's why people have a love-hate relationship with working for Royal Mail, as you have months or years go by where everything is going smoothly, then things flip on their head.

I have flip-flopped from being so content with the job, to absolutely hating the place....to liking it, to hating it..... some days you feel you could just walk out the job there and then, others you realise it's an enjoyable job where if everything was always setup sensibly I could stay for life.

Totally agree, we've got both those scenarios and it's like having a different job.