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ROYAL MAIL DELIVERY MEMBERS - LIVE AT 5 TONIGHT USO SPECIAL

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Post by hewittinspain »

sindba wrote:
29 Aug 2025, 17:48
It'll be plan A

Paired duties: 4 into 3. No 2c mail on Sat.
Rurals and Firms : no change except Sat when it's 1c, tracked specials on 2 walks.

Quality of service trashed, then come back to the Govt for further downgrading of the USO in a year or two pleading " unsustainable" again.

CWU's rather pathetic " objections" are irrelevant.
They can put any plans through but what I do know is Plan A will fail in 90% of the offices within a week. Pairings are failing one duty now and all the packets from the other so for two posties to do two duties of double mail every day will create massive (and I mean massive) backlogs especially outside of the summer months. This will then result in failure fines from Ofcom.
If this is what they want then let them go ahead with that plan but not many staff will be working past their time I wouldn't have thought.
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Post by Thommo44 »

Perseus wrote:
30 Aug 2025, 06:59
The double mail part is on ONE side of duty, be it a single van, HCT or shared van. So anything from 4 loops for 1 person to 8 loops for 2 people.
My point is that the extra time taken to do that will easily be saved on the other side of the duty that is only getting parcels and 1C letters.
Therefore - no savings made.

As I’ve said before, I do t think they care that duties are currently not completed.

To use the example above that it takes 1hr 15 more to do 7 loops of double mail. How much time does it save on the other side of the shared van only doing 1C and tracked?
Youd basically be treading water, taking resources from one side and using it on the other.
If one person does packets and parcels only, without 1C, across a pair of duties, you still struggle to complete. I went over by 15 minutes today doing this, 160 scanned and 9 specials/passports, 4 box collections and 2 customer collections.
Double mail both sides for Monday, won’t be completed so 3 on half of one on Tuesday, d2d won’t even start until Tuesday at best
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Post by Thommo44 »

How efficient is it when I drive down a street, parcel for half a dozen houses, no mail for the street and then DPR goes back later to deliver 1 or two packages. It’s 20 minutes away from the office
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Post by TopperGas »

Thommo44 wrote:
30 Aug 2025, 19:11
How efficient is it when I drive down a street, parcel for half a dozen houses, no mail for the street and then DPR goes back later to deliver 1 or two packages. It’s 20 minutes away from the office
I assume the DPR driver isn't just going to the one street then returning to the office?
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Post by TopperGas »

norris9 wrote:
30 Aug 2025, 08:41
SMS1969 wrote:
29 Aug 2025, 16:34
ted_e_bear wrote:
29 Aug 2025, 15:13
claretandblue wrote:
29 Aug 2025, 13:40
RM can't bring anything in without union agreement.
I hope you're right but I'm not convinced :pray
Yes, like when they imposed a 2% pay rise, imposed unworkable revisions and imposed the new crap contracts.

A manager today said that RM still want to force the uso changes through next month.
I guess it all depends on whether Royal Mail are happy to force through change that apparently won't work, will likely lead to much bigger fines from Ofcom, continue to piss off staff leading to higher staff turnover and continue to have the reputation of not being a reliable service.

Even if Royal Mail can just walk right through the union....do they actually want all the mess and fines that will come with it.

Ofcom have already reduced the USO requirements so Royal Mail can do better financially. It's up to Royal Mail to set things up effectively and efficiently within that framework. Problem is they are incompetent at working out who to do this.
The only way to do it make the duties shorter so on heavy days we can still complete, but that would mean employing more posties than under their proposed 3 into 4 model.

The simple fact is that mail is still too high to only deliver 2c on alternative days, at the moment we could only lose Saturday's mail deliveries, and possibly Tuesday's, Wednesday's, Thursday's and Friday's mail still needs to be all delivered the day it arrives at the DO.
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Post by Thommo44 »

TopperGas wrote:
30 Aug 2025, 19:16
Thommo44 wrote:
30 Aug 2025, 19:11
How efficient is it when I drive down a street, parcel for half a dozen houses, no mail for the street and then DPR goes back later to deliver 1 or two packages. It’s 20 minutes away from the office
I assume the DPR driver isn't just going to the one street then returning to the office?
No, but it can’t be any more efficient than what we were doing 5 years ago. They could have around 30 for the two rounds, crisscrossing my round , I had room for them too, they were in the office for 7am
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Post by TopperGas »

Perseus wrote:
28 Aug 2025, 17:30
They would get 100% of staff on board with any type of ODM if they made Saturdays a)shorter, b)1C, Specials and T24 only, and c)every other Saturday off.
Not if it meant doing double the workload Monday to Friday?
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Post by Perseus »

TopperGas wrote:
31 Aug 2025, 07:55
Perseus wrote:
28 Aug 2025, 17:30
They would get 100% of staff on board with any type of ODM if they made Saturdays a)shorter, b)1C, Specials and T24 only, and c)every other Saturday off.
Not if it meant doing double the workload Monday to Friday?
Depends how you define double the workload.
Are you going from a 5 hour duty span to a 10 hour one?
It’s 2 days mail on part of a duty where about 60% of the houses are getting 3-4 letters instead of 1-2 as they are the ones that get all the mail anyways.
Obviously there are some outliers to this that would need special consideration.
Often when I take out packets and 1C letters for a shared van duty on my own what is left behind (a tray of sequenced 2C and 2 trays of 2C manual sorted mail) isn’t a lot.
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Post by TopperGas »

Perseus wrote:
31 Aug 2025, 08:46
TopperGas wrote:
31 Aug 2025, 07:55
Perseus wrote:
28 Aug 2025, 17:30
They would get 100% of staff on board with any type of ODM if they made Saturdays a)shorter, b)1C, Specials and T24 only, and c)every other Saturday off.
Not if it meant doing double the workload Monday to Friday?
Depends how you define double the workload.
Are you going from a 5 hour duty span to a 10 hour one?
It’s 2 days mail on part of a duty where about 60% of the houses are getting 3-4 letters instead of 1-2 as they are the ones that get all the mail anyways.
Obviously there are some outliers to this that would need special consideration.
Often when I take out packets and 1C letters for a shared van duty on my own what is left behind (a tray of sequenced 2C and 2 trays of 2C manual sorted mail) isn’t a lot.
Which ever way you look at it if we're taking 2 days mail every single day it's double the workload, at least mail wise, the fact it doesn't seem to be working at most of the trial offices suggests it's unworkable without duties being shorten and our more staff recruited. You just have to look at your own frame, on Monday's less than half the houses will have post, by Tuesday's it's well over half by Wednesday virtually every house, apart from those which rarely get any post.