LTB 182/25 – Update on USO Negotiations

[Thommo44]

"The principle of the heavy and light model is that 50% of your duty each day has all the mail, and 50% is just first class and parcels. This rotates daily, Monday through to Friday. You would also take part of a further duty set at heavy as part of your daily workload Monday to Friday"

So you leave half your mail and take part of another duty ? What constitutes a part, just a bit, a third, half ? Who knows ? Sounds like bollox to me. What if your duties too big already ?

This is what we have been doing since February, overtime was agreed but not paid (only about an hour and a half), so me and my partner start on time finish on time and take a break. The round could not be completed in the summer without going 1 and a half hours over)

[iHateD2Ds]

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[iHateD2Ds]

Somebody is lying ,Our office has just been told changes are happening this September!. NEW colour coded IPS, 3 people doing 4 walks and a repick.
Cant make it up!

[mtber]

Somebody is lying ,Our office has just been told changes are happening this September!. NEW colour coded IPS, 3 people doing 4 walks and a repick.
Cant make it up!

so if your office is is fully staffed would i be right in saying that vr,s maybe offered

[hans solo]

They are not lying there being played by RM and our seniorreps cant see it

[Mr Rush]

50 duties put in, extra staff and still failing?!

Reportedly 178 duties in Stockton on Tees. Putting 50 back in is tantamount to unrolling every revision in the last 20 years since Single Delivery Well, they said they wanted call rates to go back to 2006 levels.

[Patmanposts]

"The principle of the heavy and light model is that 50% of your duty each day has all the mail, and 50% is just first class and parcels. This rotates daily, Monday through to Friday. You would also take part of a further duty set at heavy as part of your daily workload Monday to Friday”.

Uh huh…. riiiiiiiiiigghhtt.

For a start, in a lot of delivery offices (especially mine) each day is double mail on half the frames, often with 1 third of the frame treble. Result = not going to be able to achieve this new method.

There are also many frames that even if it was single mail, on Wednesdays and Thursday's you still couldn’t deliver 50% of the mail due to the amount of parcels / packets on those frames due to the size of the rounds. With just 1 duty not being covered for 1 day this whole method collapses.

But butttttt "in principle” … Back in the real world, any method will be unachievable in the majority of Do’s because of staff shortages / retention…which should have been the red line in this “rebuilding Royal Mail” but you fluffed it.

[norris9]

For a start....

As far as I'm aware - around 2 years ago every office in the UK had duties removed and every remaining round had extra work added to it, so all our rounds became bigger....too big....crazily big.....

About a year ago the office I work in had duties put back in and made manageable again....

Did this even happen throughout the country or are many offices still stuck with excessively large rounds because of the changes 2 years ago?

In particular I'd like to know if the trial offices ever reverted back to manageable duties?

In this message Dave Ward has said duties were reinstated, but were the same number of duties put back in that were taken out originally?

[Pidleypoo]

It's delusional to think that everyone gets to stay on a fixed duty, does half a duty a day of all items and half 1C and packets, gets an earlier start/finish, shorter Saturdays, work every other Saturday, and the company saves hundreds of millions a year.

We're either being trolled or they are really that out of touch with how things are on the ground.

Not really because we’ve been doing for this for about 2 years and the deliveries are so big that you can only do one side of mail and the tracked/parcels off the other …..doesn’t even include the 1st class because we wouldn’t get it done if we did.

Think some offices don’t have a clue what the reality is in most of them.

[Perseus]

It's delusional to think that everyone gets to stay on a fixed duty, does half a duty a day of all items and half 1C and packets, gets an earlier start/finish, shorter Saturdays, work every other Saturday, and the company saves hundreds of millions a year.

We're either being trolled or they are really that out of touch with how things are on the ground.

Not really because we’ve been doing for this for about 2 years and the deliveries are so big that you can only do one side of mail and the tracked/parcels off the other …..doesn’t even include the 1st class because we wouldn’t get it done if we did.

Think some offices don’t have a clue what the reality is in most of them.

This new proposal isn't based on using it to fix the current problems within many offices. There is no mention of that. It's based on a fantasy office where every duty is achievable and staffed fully and clears every day. They do exist, I'm sure.
I've said this before, but again they seem to be promising everything to everyone, and the fact RM haven't jointly signed up tells you everything.

[Rve83ndxd]

Not really because we’ve been doing for this for about 2 years and the deliveries are so big that you can only do one side of mail and the tracked/parcels off the other …..doesn’t even include the 1st class because we wouldn’t get it done if we did.

Think some offices don’t have a clue what the reality is in most of them.

At least 5 years in ours.

[yubin282]

and what if the CWU proposals fail ?

[norris9]

As far as I'm aware the average cost of a letter to be sent is probably at least £0.80 even for mass mailings....

It's Summer and maybe 1/3rd of homes are receiving mail each day, but with some homes receiving 2 to 5 letters per day, I'd say I am at least delivering 500 letters per day.

500 x £0.80 = £400 revenue from just the letters at the lightest time of the year.... Add in just £200 for Standard parcels/Tracked/Specials, that's £600 per day for my round....

How the heck is Royal Mail losing money.

If the above is accurate... why do we even need change to the way we deliver.

[kazardaimenu]

The savings they are looking for might not be in delivery after all. Probably further up the pipe in mail centres.

[Thommo44]

As far as I'm aware the average cost of a letter to be sent is probably at least £0.80 even for mass mailings....

It's Summer and maybe 1/3rd of homes are receiving mail each day, but with some homes receiving 2 to 5 letters per day, I'd say I am at least delivering 500 letters per day.

500 x £0.80 = £400 revenue from just the letters at the lightest time of the year.... Add in just £200 for Standard parcels/Tracked/Specials, that's £600 per day for my round....

How the heck is Royal Mail losing money.

Any other business would look at the indirect costs first, including management, dpr must be costing a fortune and overtime paid for people to come in early 6 days a week. People finishing a couple of hours early while paying others overtime to complete. All management failures, but recruiting from within and minimal training doesn’t help

If the above is accurate... why do we even need change to the way we deliver.