VRs on hold

[Londonsburning]

This is not true. However the number of potential Voluntary redundancies numbers and when they will be given will be determined by how the USO will be introduced and when a unit is deployed and linked to their post implementation review.

I don't think anything you say is true Martin.

[stevejm]

Thanks for the clarification. When might this happen ? Mid 2026 ?

[Dano boy]

Wait until they announce a new 3rd super hub or possibly more . Then the legacy workers in the mail centres will be gone without doubt and the seasonal workers or new contracts will be in .

New super hub on its way . Watch this space !!!

[SpacePhoenix]

Wait until they announce a new 3rd super hub or possibly more . Then the legacy workers in the mail centres will be gone without doubt and the seasonal workers or new contracts will be in .

New super hub on its way . Watch this space !!!

More automation means less staff overall, less legacy, casuals and new contracts. If RM open enough hubs then they'll have the capacity to sort down to walk level, less indoor time needed in DOs, giving more outdoor time.

[citypostie]

Wait until they announce a new 3rd super hub or possibly more . Then the legacy workers in the mail centres will be gone without doubt and the seasonal workers or new contracts will be in .

New super hub on its way . Watch this space !!!

More automation means less staff overall, less legacy, casuals and new contracts. If RM open enough hubs then they'll have the capacity to sort down to walk level, less indoor time needed in DOs, giving more outdoor time.

They can't even sort them into the separate postcodes for our office so I won't worry about them being done to walk level we have more indoor work than we've ever had now with all the tracked parcels despite them saying years ago it would decrease . Also if they sort down to walk level how do they fit all the seperate York's for each delivery onto the trucks to get them to the offices? We've got about 60 walks in our office and moat average about 2 Yorks a day of parcels, so that's 120 separate Yorks for the parcels plus all the Yorks for the mail just for a smallish office like mine, how does all that get transported never mind for the bigger offices with 100+ walks. It's never Gona happen

[ted_e_bear]

Wait until they announce a new 3rd super hub or possibly more . Then the legacy workers in the mail centres will be gone without doubt and the seasonal workers or new contracts will be in .

New super hub on its way . Watch this space !!!

More automation means less staff overall, less legacy, casuals and new contracts. If RM open enough hubs then they'll have the capacity to sort down to walk level, less indoor time needed in DOs, giving more outdoor time.

They can't even sort them into the separate postcodes for our office so I won't worry about them being done to walk level we have more indoor work than we've ever had now with all the tracked parcels despite them saying years ago it would decrease . Also if they sort down to walk level how do they fit all the seperate York's for each delivery onto the trucks to get them to the offices? We've got about 60 walks in our office and moat average about 2 Yorks a day of parcels, so that's 120 separate Yorks for the parcels plus all the Yorks for the mail just for a smallish office like mine, how does all that get transported never mind for the bigger offices with 100+ walks. It's never Gona happen

Exactly what I thought, but hang on knowing what royal mail are like they'll probably send multiple trucks to a DO full of seperate Yorks for each duty costing a fortune instead of having 2 or 3 people spending an hour or so sorting them manually

[Hyrrokkin]

Wait until they announce a new 3rd super hub or possibly more . Then the legacy workers in the mail centres will be gone without doubt and the seasonal workers or new contracts will be in .

New super hub on its way . Watch this space !!!

More automation means less staff overall, less legacy, casuals and new contracts. If RM open enough hubs then they'll have the capacity to sort down to walk level, less indoor time needed in DOs, giving more outdoor time.

They can't even sort them into the separate postcodes for our office so I won't worry about them being done to walk level we have more indoor work than we've ever had now with all the tracked parcels despite them saying years ago it would decrease . Also if they sort down to walk level how do they fit all the seperate York's for each delivery onto the trucks to get them to the offices? We've got about 60 walks in our office and moat average about 2 Yorks a day of parcels, so that's 120 separate Yorks for the parcels plus all the Yorks for the mail just for a smallish office like mine, how does all that get transported never mind for the bigger offices with 100+ walks. It's never Gona happen

Exactly what I thought

Sort to walk level -

I presume a PSM has x amount of yorks to fill but there are 100's of walks in X D.O's covered by any MC.

You would need 100's of yorks every MC shift - could not be done if there were 2 or 3 PSM in every MC

[Dano boy]

Have this thought....

More super hubs built , more automation and within the hubs are delivery frames/segs . Top that up with own drivers on business insurance then eventually the company is split so it's made more efficient and overheads are massively reduced . This will happen oneday that's for sure

Splitting the company is the only way people will get their mail on-time . More smaller companies under pressure less overheads and regional based branding .
Maybe government will take over the hubs or just the letters then bang watch it split . I personally reckon Kretsinsky will announce losses over the next couple of years forcing the arm of government to sell off the crown jewels and he nets the north London depo for his property portfolio and strikes a deal with his logistics network

[SpacePhoenix]

Wait until they announce a new 3rd super hub or possibly more . Then the legacy workers in the mail centres will be gone without doubt and the seasonal workers or new contracts will be in .

New super hub on its way . Watch this space !!!

More automation means less staff overall, less legacy, casuals and new contracts. If RM open enough hubs then they'll have the capacity to sort down to walk level, less indoor time needed in DOs, giving more outdoor time.

They can't even sort them into the separate postcodes for our office so I won't worry about them being done to walk level we have more indoor work than we've ever had now with all the tracked parcels despite them saying years ago it would decrease . Also if they sort down to walk level how do they fit all the seperate York's for each delivery onto the trucks to get them to the offices? We've got about 60 walks in our office and moat average about 2 Yorks a day of parcels, so that's 120 separate Yorks for the parcels plus all the Yorks for the mail just for a smallish office like mine, how does all that get transported never mind for the bigger offices with 100+ walks. It's never Gona happen

Exactly what I thought

Sort to walk level -

I presume a PSM has x amount of yorks to fill but there are 100's of walks in X D.O's covered by any MC.

You would need 100's of yorks every MC shift - could not be done if there were 2 or 3 PSM in every MC

Can be done. There are machines on the market which can sort packets down to walk level. It would work on the same principle as mech letters, the first machine sorts the packets to batches and the next sorts each batch, breaking it down into the walks.

[SkiSunday]

This is not true. However the number of potential Voluntary redundancies numbers and when they will be given will be determined by how the USO will be introduced and when a unit is deployed and linked to their post implementation review.

The USO was introduced many many years ago. How are these so called unit deployments working out now Martin?
P.S. I voted NO to the shoddy deal offered.

[Dandaman23]

Yeah, no surprise there, there will be a new wave of people leaving very soon, Not that they aren't already. The sh***s gonna hit the fan v soon.

[hewittinspain]

People are sick of being lied to. They have scrapped the trial model only to be hinted by my own rep a new planned one literally is no better. (He wasn't allowed to tell me anything else other than that).

VR's simply won't happen because most offices are already many staff down.
Talk of every other Saturday off I can't see happening as managers will change rotas around to suit them.

Expect yearly revisions or bi-yearly revisions in the future due to mail decline and posties will never see a benefit. The company will want their pound of flesh from us.

Expect a pay vote of Yes. That is when the fun for them will start.

We are simply brainwashed into thinking things will be fine for us when they're not.

[Wullie10]

This is not true. However the number of potential Voluntary redundancies numbers and when they will be given will be determined by how the USO will be introduced and when a unit is deployed and linked to their post implementation review.

I don't think anything you say is true Martin.

I've paid into CWU for almost 40 years and I can't think of one decent thing they've ever done for me. They are clearly in bed with the owner. ( private box at West Ham ?? ) . Locally they are a few decent reps but they are tied with what the London Mafia decide. I'm not into slagging off individuals. But the top are as corrupt as you'd expect in today's society. Maybe they can offer some Palestinian banners and pride flags but for your average bloke it's been down hills for years. VR is not happening as there is no need for it. They can't recruit . They'll just grind anyone with service down until it is unbearable. Take it or leave. There's the door.

[Hyrrokkin]

This is not true. However the number of potential Voluntary redundancies numbers and when they will be given will be determined by how the USO will be introduced and when a unit is deployed and linked to their post implementation review.

I don't think anything you say is true Martin.

I've paid into CWU for almost 40 years and I can't think of one decent thing they've ever done for me. They are clearly in bed with the owner. ( private box at West Ham ?? ) . Locally they are a few decent reps but they are tied with what the London Mafia decide. I'm not into slagging off individuals. But the top are as corrupt as you'd expect in today's society. Maybe they can offer some Palestinian banners and pride flags but for your average bloke it's been down hills for years. VR is not happening as there is no need for it. They can't recruit . They'll just grind anyone with service down until it is unbearable. Take it or leave. There's the door.

[Mr Rush]

Expect yearly revisions or bi-yearly revisions in the future

I've been hearing that for years. Judging by the ones I've worked through over the years, it would be a permanent rolling disaster with one screw-up running into the next. Whatever stood to be gained would be lost in the chaos. These boardroom fantasies are what you get when you let people with absolutely no experience tell you how to do your job. What's a good metaphor... asking a five year old to plan a funeral?