CWU No.2 recommends NO vote..

[Sean06]

It will be a massive yes vote , the majority want a pay rise now the uso nonsense can take care of itself.

Not from my feedback it will be a massive yes. I work in a big office and I'd say a good 80% will definitely be voting no on the deal.

Have you asked them all??and are they just saying no but actually voting yes?

[Barnacle]

I’ve heard about proposals to freeze OT and do all the other things you mention for as long as I’ve been in this job and it never happens. It’s always strikes. Might have happened at a local level but not nationally. I agree though it should definitely be an option.

Zero chance of enforcing an OT ban when probably half the work force are part timers who rely upon OT just to survive.

The main issue with overtime bans is that they disproportionately impact women as they are less likely to be on a FT 37hr contract and therefore more likely to be topping up their hours with overtime.

As apposed to an all out strike where everyone loses out on everything. No, your contract is your contract regardless of gender. Plenty of opportunities, especially lately to have your contract made up to full time. Unless people enjoy the flexibility. Then we are in a cake and eat it territory. If we need IA then an OT ban/work to rule ballot would be impactful and least harmful to us.

People shouldn't ever make financial decisions based on overtime income.

No you are wrong about ‘plenty of opportunities to be made up to full time’. Women are often overlooked, not even asked, when the opportunities arise. An assumption is made that they don’t want to be made up. Or men are just made up on the hush hush, jumping the seniority queue.

In my nearly 20 years service I have never witnessed this. Seniority has always been the deciding factor.

You are a man. Have you done any research into the experience of women working at Royal Mail? Have you looked into any data?

Just because you have no experience of this, does not mean it is not a truism.

[hewittinspain]

It will be a massive yes vote , the majority want a pay rise now the uso nonsense can take care of itself.

Not from my feedback it will be a massive yes. I work in a big office and I'd say a good 80% will definitely be voting no on the deal.

Have you asked them all??and are they just saying no but actually voting yes?

The rep sent printouts to the staff to ask what they would vote.

[SkiSunday]

VOTE NO!

[thefox]

A yes from me

[yellowbelly]

It will be a massive yes vote , the majority want a pay rise now the uso nonsense can take care of itself.

Not from my feedback it will be a massive yes. I work in a big office and I'd say a good 80% will definitely be voting no on the deal.

Have you asked them all??and are they just saying no but actually voting yes?

Or just forgetting/not bothering to vote at all?

[Ren Hoëk]

I’ve heard about proposals to freeze OT and do all the other things you mention for as long as I’ve been in this job and it never happens. It’s always strikes. Might have happened at a local level but not nationally. I agree though it should definitely be an option.

Zero chance of enforcing an OT ban when probably half the work force are part timers who rely upon OT just to survive.

The main issue with overtime bans is that they disproportionately impact women as they are less likely to be on a FT 37hr contract and therefore more likely to be topping up their hours with overtime.

As apposed to an all out strike where everyone loses out on everything. No, your contract is your contract regardless of gender. Plenty of opportunities, especially lately to have your contract made up to full time. Unless people enjoy the flexibility. Then we are in a cake and eat it territory. If we need IA then an OT ban/work to rule ballot would be impactful and least harmful to us.

People shouldn't ever make financial decisions based on overtime income.

No you are wrong about ‘plenty of opportunities to be made up to full time’. Women are often overlooked, not even asked, when the opportunities arise. An assumption is made that they don’t want to be made up. Or men are just made up on the hush hush, jumping the seniority queue.

In my nearly 20 years service I have never witnessed this. Seniority has always been the deciding factor.

You are a man. Have you done any research into the experience of women working at Royal Mail? Have you looked into any data?

Just because you have no experience of this, does not mean it is not a truism.

Have you?

What does me being a man have to do with it? I work with and talk to my female colleagues. Iv represented male and female colleagues. Iv overseen revisions and repicks. I have arranged uplifts from PT to FT. I have never taken gender into account. Only seniority.

The only person being sexist here is you it seems.

[Barnacle]

I’ve heard about proposals to freeze OT and do all the other things you mention for as long as I’ve been in this job and it never happens. It’s always strikes. Might have happened at a local level but not nationally. I agree though it should definitely be an option.

Zero chance of enforcing an OT ban when probably half the work force are part timers who rely upon OT just to survive.

The main issue with overtime bans is that they disproportionately impact women as they are less likely to be on a FT 37hr contract and therefore more likely to be topping up their hours with overtime.

As apposed to an all out strike where everyone loses out on everything. No, your contract is your contract regardless of gender. Plenty of opportunities, especially lately to have your contract made up to full time. Unless people enjoy the flexibility. Then we are in a cake and eat it territory. If we need IA then an OT ban/work to rule ballot would be impactful and least harmful to us.

People shouldn't ever make financial decisions based on overtime income.

No you are wrong about ‘plenty of opportunities to be made up to full time’. Women are often overlooked, not even asked, when the opportunities arise. An assumption is made that they don’t want to be made up. Or men are just made up on the hush hush, jumping the seniority queue.

In my nearly 20 years service I have never witnessed this. Seniority has always been the deciding factor.

You are a man. Have you done any research into the experience of women working at Royal Mail? Have you looked into any data?

Just because you have no experience of this, does not mean it is not a truism.

Have you?

What does me being a man have to do with it? I work with and talk to my female colleagues. Iv represented male and female colleagues. Iv overseen revisions and repicks. I have arranged uplifts from PT to FT. I have never taken gender into account. Only seniority.

The only person being sexist here is you it seems.

Yes I have taken data and done research, spanning from prior to COVID and then what has happened since.

Denying that there could possibly be an issue, just because you personally haven’t experienced it, is not helpful.

[Ren Hoëk]

Yes I have taken data and done research, spanning from prior to COVID and then what has happened since.

Denying that there could possibly be an issue, just because you personally haven’t experienced it, is not helpful.

Don't leave us hanging. Please, link us to it?

[Barnacle]

Yes I have taken data and done research, spanning from prior to COVID and then what has happened since.

Denying that there could possibly be an issue, just because you personally haven’t experienced it, is not helpful.

Don't leave us hanging. Please, link us to it?

?? I’m not a published researcher. How can I link you to anything.

Just stop calling me a liar because you disagree.

[SkiSunday]

Yes I have taken data and done research, spanning from prior to COVID and then what has happened since.

Denying that there could possibly be an issue, just because you personally haven’t experienced it, is not helpful.

Don't leave us hanging. Please, link us to it?

Yes, please present your statistics over the last 4 and half years Barnacle.

[SkiSunday]

Just stop calling me a liar because you disagree.

Nobody said you were a liar...

[Ren Hoëk]

Yes I have taken data and done research, spanning from prior to COVID and then what has happened since.

Denying that there could possibly be an issue, just because you personally haven’t experienced it, is not helpful.

Don't leave us hanging. Please, link us to it?

?? I’m not a published researcher. How can I link you to anything.

Just stop calling me a liar because you disagree.

Thought as much.

[Barnacle]

Would have thought it obvious why I wouldn’t post such information on here.

Believe what you want.

[Acca Dacca]

Im not going to call you a liar Barnacle but I will say I dont believe you