How us Newbies are treated

[datasaint]

Maybe you 2 need to re - read this again ...... "How anybody can think it is right/Ok that we have a workforce where some are paid less for doing the same work is beyond me ?"

I don’t believe anyone thinks it’s right but again this was implemented by the company against the wishes of the CWU.

Such a false statement, the company could implement anything it wanted against the wishes of the CWU if it wanted to, it's the job of the union to block it, the members showed their resolve with 97% backing the leadership ignored it.

[TopperGas]

Maybe you 2 need to re - read this again ...... "How anybody can think it is right/Ok that we have a workforce where some are paid less for doing the same work is beyond me ?"

I don’t believe anyone thinks it’s right but again this was implemented by the company against the wishes of the CWU.

Such a false statement, the company could implement anything it wanted against the wishes of the CWU if it wanted to, it's the job of the union to block it, the members showed their resolve with 97% backing the leadership ignored it.

How could the CWU block new starters accepting the T&C's being offered? We voted for IA for a pay rise etc, nobody was ever going to strike just over the new contracts, I'm not even sure that was part of the ballot w/o checking.

We now have new starters starting virtually every week and by now it must be common knowledge that they aren't going to be paid breaks etc when legacy contracts are being paid.

Regardless what's the alternative to the CWU, no union, and then RM making us all work 'til we've completed our duties and every Sunday they need us to work?

[Idk]

I'm sorry but there is to much of looking what somebody else gets in royal mail.

Current jobs are advertised with the salary and hours so if someone isn't up for doing the job as it's advertised then don't accept it.

[pieoftheday]

This is how we “Newbies” are treated
DP duties
Over 20 off us Newbies were encouraged to apply for full time hours on 9 day fortnight working every other Sunday - an improvement on existing Rota of 5 out of 6 Sundays
Awarded 40 hours a week
Waited 5-6 weeks for New nine day fortnight rota
Now told a few days before it starts that we will still be on five day week, no paid breaks, days up to 9.5 hours, working compulsory 5 out every 6 Sundays with Sunday hours increasing to 7.5 hours -
Unions not interested even though they put it in writing on the application sheet that it was for 9 day fortnight -
DoM says “thats it - final”
And you wonder why the majority of Newbies jack or don’t care - the company and the unions don’t give a monkeys about us

When i started as a cadet 40 years ago I did the same hrs, 43hr week and the same work for nowhere near the full time wage, I was moved from earlies, 5am start to afternoons, 9pm finish, nowts changed

[Basildon Bond]

Current jobs are advertised with the salary and hours so if someone isn't up for doing the job as it's advertised then don't accept it.

I think you should go back and read the first post on this thread - that's the entire post; it's not working out as advertised.

[HarrySutton111]

This is how we “Newbies” are treated
DP duties
Over 20 off us Newbies were encouraged to apply for full time hours on 9 day fortnight working every other Sunday - an improvement on existing Rota of 5 out of 6 Sundays
Awarded 40 hours a week
Waited 5-6 weeks for New nine day fortnight rota
Now told a few days before it starts that we will still be on five day week, no paid breaks, days up to 9.5 hours, working compulsory 5 out every 6 Sundays with Sunday hours increasing to 7.5 hours -
Unions not interested even though they put it in writing on the application sheet that it was for 9 day fortnight -
DoM says “thats it - final”
And you wonder why the majority of Newbies jack or don’t care - the company and the unions don’t give a monkeys about us

When i started as a cadet 40 years ago I did the same hrs, 43hr week and the same work for nowhere near the full time wage, I was moved from earlies, 5am start to afternoons, 9pm finish, nowts changed

Same 6 days a week as well, plus finishing 1pm Saturday back in Sunday 10pm for night shift, great weekends them eh,

[Sean06]

Maybe you 2 need to re - read this again ...... "How anybody can think it is right/Ok that we have a workforce where some are paid less for doing the same work is beyond me ?"

Rm implemented new starters contracts would the (legacy staff have voted to strike against it).so personally do not think any blame is put on cwu.my point was 25 years after way forward agreement why are ex-phgs still being paid £20 a week more than an opg for doing same work.or maybe im missing your point.

[Smoothbackground]

How could the CWU block new starters accepting the T&C's being offered?

Answer: By refusing to compromise the wider 2022/2023 dispute unless the new-entrant issue was nipped in the bud there and then and included as part and parcel of the agreement. At that stage it was a minor wrangle that was in no way as contentious as other things on the table.

When the “compromise” to the 2022 IR dispute was being discussed and agreed there were probably only a few hundred new entrants across the whole business, if that, and so the cost of levelling up would have been negligible. It was only in the summer of 2023, after RM realised the CWU’s capitulation/acquiescence on the issue, that mass recruitment on the new-entrant contract really got underway.

[datasaint]

Maybe you 2 need to re - read this again ...... "How anybody can think it is right/Ok that we have a workforce where some are paid less for doing the same work is beyond me ?"

I don’t believe anyone thinks it’s right but again this was implemented by the company against the wishes of the CWU.

Such a false statement, the company could implement anything it wanted against the wishes of the CWU if it wanted to, it's the job of the union to block it, the members showed their resolve with 97% backing the leadership ignored it.

How could the CWU block new starters accepting the T&C's being offered? We voted for IA for a pay rise etc, nobody was ever going to strike just over the new contracts, I'm not even sure that was part of the ballot w/o checking.

It's quite simple they don't agree a pay deal until the imposed terms on new starters are removed. The same way they shouldn't have agreed a deal before the fate of the 200 suspended/sacked reps was decided. As for it not being part of the ballot, how so when Dave Ward was on CWU Live months before saying "a two tier workforce is a red line we won't cross or tolerate".

There was nothing stopping them taking a stance on either of those two things but they chose not to, thus accepting them. So please can we stop saying the company was solely responsible for it.

[datasaint]

I'm sorry but there is to much of looking what somebody else gets in royal mail.

Current jobs are advertised with the salary and hours so if someone isn't up for doing the job as it's advertised then don't accept it.

The union's job is to protect members, not just current ones but future ones too. That's why Dave Ward made a big thing of "not pulling up the drawbridge on the next generation*, how long that lasted

So it's all good and well shrugging responsibility when new starts take on the job at lesser pay, but it's bad for them, and it's bad for the union as a whole because those new starts aren't likely to support the union now so everyone loses.

[borders]

Maybe you 2 need to re - read this again ...... "How anybody can think it is right/Ok that we have a workforce where some are paid less for doing the same work is beyond me ?"

Rm implemented new starters contracts would the (legacy staff have voted to strike against it).so personally do not think any blame is put on cwu.my point was 25 years after way forward agreement why are ex-phgs still being paid £20 a week more than an opg for doing same work.or maybe im missing your point.

I am agreeing with you

[TopperGas]

Maybe you 2 need to re - read this again ...... "How anybody can think it is right/Ok that we have a workforce where some are paid less for doing the same work is beyond me ?"

I don’t believe anyone thinks it’s right but again this was implemented by the company against the wishes of the CWU.

Such a false statement, the company could implement anything it wanted against the wishes of the CWU if it wanted to, it's the job of the union to block it, the members showed their resolve with 97% backing the leadership ignored it.

How could the CWU block new starters accepting the T&C's being offered? We voted for IA for a pay rise etc, nobody was ever going to strike just over the new contracts, I'm not even sure that was part of the ballot w/o checking.

It's quite simple they don't agree a pay deal until the imposed terms on new starters are removed. The same way they shouldn't have agreed a deal before the fate of the 200 suspended/sacked reps was decided. As it for it not being part of the ballot, how so when Dave Ward was on CWU Live months before saying "a two tier workforce is a red line we won't cross or tolerate".

There was nothing stopping them taking a stance on either of those two things but they chose not to, thus accepting them. So please can we stop saying the company was solely responsible for it.

DW said a number of things which he had to pull back on, the CWU would have had zero support to continue IA just to support new contract starters nor the suspended/sacked reps.

[Wullie10]

I was told in 1990 when I finished a Saturday morning delivery I'd be on nights the following week starting 10.00 pm Sunday. I think I had a moan but was told if I didn't like it go elsewhere. ( we went to the pub till closing time then played cards till 2 am then job and finish. ) happy days

[Sean06]

Maybe you 2 need to re - read this again ...... "How anybody can think it is right/Ok that we have a workforce where some are paid less for doing the same work is beyond me ?"

Rm implemented new starters contracts would the (legacy staff have voted to strike against it).so personally do not think any blame is put on cwu.my point was 25 years after way forward agreement why are ex-phgs still being paid £20 a week more than an opg for doing same work.or maybe im missing your point.

I am agreeing with you

[borders]

Maybe you 2 need to re - read this again ...... "How anybody can think it is right/Ok that we have a workforce where some are paid less for doing the same work is beyond me ?"

Rm implemented new starters contracts would the (legacy staff have voted to strike against it).so personally do not think any blame is put on cwu.my point was 25 years after way forward agreement why are ex-phgs still being paid £20 a week more than an opg for doing same work.or maybe im missing your point.

I am agreeing with you

Thank Christ for that , we go there in the end....