The Postal Executive has agreed the following timetable for the forthcoming ballot on Royal Mail Pay:

[hans solo]

The cwu leadership recommends we vote yes
I recommend we vote NO

[tramssirhc]

The cwu leadership recommends we vote yes
I recommend we vote NO

You recommend an electronic no vote. No other way of voting.

[SMS1969]

Members will be sent ‘personalised correspondence’ to show you how to vote.

[Philbag70]

It's a No from me.

[Chelseablue]

No also

[Perseus]

Pay Agreement reached 29th June.
Result on the vote of it, earliest 26th August.

2 months.

Its parts 1 and 2 your voting on, electronically.

I'm guessing you think electronic voting isn't a good thing? Surely it achieves a higher turnout?

[Gary55]

At least it might arrive in time to be counted

[tramssirhc]

Pay Agreement reached 29th June.
Result on the vote of it, earliest 26th August.

2 months.

Its parts 1 and 2 your voting on, electronically.

I'm guessing you think electronic voting isn't a good thing? Surely it achieves a higher turnout?

Anything that gets the turnout up is a great idea. This isn't about increasing participation. Its about suppressing the massive opposition.

[scotchy1962]

If you all remember this is what happened a few years back at the end of the last dispute, the union dragged it out so that voter apathy would kick in, they have just repeated the same thing in the hope that enough lose heart and it gets voted through where it instantly becomes the "Deal of the century" and a "Win for the union" the future isn't looking promising for you all, on the plus side i am 4 weeks from leaving my new job and retiring completely, as it turns out it wasn't just RM i had enough of..... it was work in general i had enough of.
Good luck to you all.

[Acca Dacca]

Pay Agreement reached 29th June.
Result on the vote of it, earliest 26th August.

2 months.

Its parts 1 and 2 your voting on, electronically.

I'm guessing you think electronic voting isn't a good thing? Surely it achieves a higher turnout?

Anything that gets the turnout up is a great idea. This isn't about increasing participation. Its about suppressing the massive opposition.

Can you show your working on that

[sweepster70]

If you go on CWU Facebook and check the no votes and the people who are saying they'll be voting no on here, I'm always surprised when the final vote comes in at over 75% yes.

[Sean06]

If you go on CWU Facebook and check the no votes and the people who are saying they'll be voting no on here, I'm always surprised when the final vote comes in at over 75% yes.

Yeah always a massive shock.

[Basildon Bond]

I know this may not be achievable by all, but I would suggest you separate any dislike, contempt, or bitterness you have for the union and who runs it and judge the offer as it stands on its own.

Are you going to be happier taking it or leaving it? Most, and most may not be on here nor Facebook would perhaps be happier to have something rather than nothing right now.

Imagine, if you can, you're generally happy in the job; you're unlikely to leave the company; and you don't really mind or care about the union. Then someone walking over to you and offers the pay rise. Would you take it? Probably. Bird in the hand and all that. Let tomorrow take care of itself.

I do point a finger at the union because there is never any idea what happens if the offer is voted down. We're all left to imagine the worst situations for ourselves and once we all start chewing our own bottom lips over the what ifs and the unclear future, the offer just seems to be the best choice. Plus with the mess of the ODM/USO trials and lack of comms from the union we all start to doubt they'll be able to get any more as their ability to negotiate and then announce genuinely pleasing terms never seems to happen.

Personally, I think a larger rise guaranteed over the next 4-5 years would be better so we (a) get a rise now, and (b) we crucially push upwards in the next few years. However, I can understand that anyone with half a foot out the door towards retirement won't be too bothered about that.

[Ren Hoëk]

I know this may not be achievable by all, but I would suggest you separate any dislike, contempt, or bitterness you have for the union and who runs it and judge the offer as it stands on its own.

Are you going to be happier taking it or leaving it? Most, and most may not be on here nor Facebook would perhaps be happier to have something rather than nothing right now.

Imagine, if you can, you're generally happy in the job; you're unlikely to leave the company; and you don't really mind or care about the union. Then someone walking over to you and offers the pay rise. Would you take it? Probably. Bird in the hand and all that. Let tomorrow take care of itself.

I do point a finger at the union because there is never any idea what happens if the offer is voted down. We're all left to imagine the worst situations for ourselves and once we all start chewing our own bottom lips over the what ifs and the unclear future, the offer just seems to be the best choice. Plus with the mess of the ODM/USO trials and lack of comms from the union we all start to doubt they'll be able to get any more as their ability to negotiate and then announce genuinely pleasing terms never seems to happen.

Personally, I think a larger rise guaranteed over the next 4-5 years would be better so we (a) get a rise now, and (b) we crucially push upwards in the next few years. However, I can understand that anyone with half a foot out the door towards retirement won't be too bothered about that.

Now imagine tens of thousands of people PAY a union to improve their pay and working conditions and they...don't. In fact, over the last few years those same thousands of people have watched their purchasing power fall by nearly £3k. Even when including this new pay offer. They are £3k poorer. They have also watched once hard fought terms and conditions slowly deteriorate. Yet some bod is telling you to be grateful. No thanks. VOTE NO. WARD OUT.

[Pidleypoo]

The situation is that some want us to vote no because the union are useless for that same union to have to go back and negotiate if a no vote is what happens.

We’re absolutely doomed.

They’d come back and negotiate a 3 percent pay rise.

I suppose it comes down to whether anyone thinks that we’d get an improved offer of note by voting no.

Personally I don’t think it’s a great deal. I don’t think the union can get a better deal. What a situation we’re in.