Massive exodus from delivery

[qwerty2]

No surprise, after 6 months on delivery they realise the contract they signed is garbage compared to legacy staff for doing identical job and in some case driving the ‘non driver legacy contract person’ because they refuse to drive a van.

“because they refuse to drive a van” - some don’t drive (like me) because they’ve never learned

Fair enough. But equally, some do. One of our “non-drivers” pulls up in his licensed Hackney Carriage every day, which he insists on parking in the yard when everyone starts going out on delivery, but yet needs a new-entrant chauffeur for his RM work (while keeping the driver’s loops for his good self!)

See the manager and union rep - if he’s doing the driver’s loops he has to drive!

[theotherone]

No surprise, after 6 months on delivery they realise the contract they signed is garbage compared to legacy staff for doing identical job and in some case driving the ‘non driver legacy contract person’ because they refuse to drive a van.

“because they refuse to drive a van” - some don’t drive (like me) because they’ve never learned

Fair enough. But equally, some do. One of our “non-drivers” pulls up in his licensed Hackney Carriage every day, which he insists on parking in the yard when everyone starts going out on delivery, but yet needs a new-entrant chauffeur for his RM work (while keeping the driver’s loops for his good self!)

See the manager and union rep - if he’s doing the driver’s loops he has to drive!

Of course you don't have too.
It's probably not efficient but no way could a manager or rep enforce it.

[worktotime]

No surprise, after 6 months on delivery they realise the contract they signed is garbage compared to legacy staff for doing identical job and in some case driving the ‘non driver legacy contract person’ because they refuse to drive a van.

“because they refuse to drive a van” - some don’t drive (like me) because they’ve never learned

Fair enough. But equally, some do. One of our “non-drivers” pulls up in his licensed Hackney Carriage every day, which he insists on parking in the yard when everyone starts going out on delivery, but yet needs a new-entrant chauffeur for his RM work (while keeping the driver’s loops for his good self!)

See the manager and union rep - if he’s doing the driver’s loops he has to drive!

why does he have to drive ? im a driver but told them i wont be driving a royal mail van again but thats my choice as i paid for my licence not the company , and my partner i work with who does the driving , he only drives out and between loops as everything goes in bags on our lwts so he doesnt deliver any parcels out the van .so theres no difference between the driver and walkers loops . its the way to work

[TopperGas]

No surprise, after 6 months on delivery they realise the contract they signed is garbage compared to legacy staff for doing identical job and in some case driving the ‘non driver legacy contract person’ because they refuse to drive a van.

“because they refuse to drive a van” - some don’t drive (like me) because they’ve never learned

Fair enough. But equally, some do. One of our “non-drivers” pulls up in his licensed Hackney Carriage every day, which he insists on parking in the yard when everyone starts going out on delivery, but yet needs a new-entrant chauffeur for his RM work (while keeping the driver’s loops for his good self!)

See the manager and union rep - if he’s doing the driver’s loops he has to drive!

why does he have to drive ? im a driver but told them i wont be driving a royal mail van again but thats my choice as i paid for my licence not the company , and my partner i work with who does the driving , he only drives out and between loops as everything goes in bags on our lwts so he doesnt deliver any parcels out the van .so theres no difference between the driver and walkers loops . its the way to work

How do you deliver the oversized from just lwts? If you were employed as a post person who drives then I sense RM could dismiss you if you refuse to drive if they ever asked you to drive in the future?

[worktotime]

No surprise, after 6 months on delivery they realise the contract they signed is garbage compared to legacy staff for doing identical job and in some case driving the ‘non driver legacy contract person’ because they refuse to drive a van.

“because they refuse to drive a van” - some don’t drive (like me) because they’ve never learned

Fair enough. But equally, some do. One of our “non-drivers” pulls up in his licensed Hackney Carriage every day, which he insists on parking in the yard when everyone starts going out on delivery, but yet needs a new-entrant chauffeur for his RM work (while keeping the driver’s loops for his good self!)

See the manager and union rep - if he’s doing the driver’s loops he has to drive!

why does he have to drive ? im a driver but told them i wont be driving a royal mail van again but thats my choice as i paid for my licence not the company , and my partner i work with who does the driving , he only drives out and between loops as everything goes in bags on our lwts so he doesnt deliver any parcels out the van .so theres no difference between the driver and walkers loops . its the way to work

How do you deliver the oversized from just lwts? If you were employed as a post person who drives then I sense RM could dismiss you if you refuse to drive if they ever asked you to drive in the future?

they go on top of the lwts and inside the bags simple . i wasnt i was employed many moons ago when we had bikes and going out 3 - 4 in a van to be dropped off on deliveries , and they could try to dismiss me for not driving for them , but it wouldnt end well for them .

[yellowbelly]

No surprise, after 6 months on delivery they realise the contract they signed is garbage compared to legacy staff for doing identical job and in some case driving the ‘non driver legacy contract person’ because they refuse to drive a van.

“because they refuse to drive a van” - some don’t drive (like me) because they’ve never learned

Fair enough. But equally, some do. One of our “non-drivers” pulls up in his licensed Hackney Carriage every day, which he insists on parking in the yard when everyone starts going out on delivery, but yet needs a new-entrant chauffeur for his RM work (while keeping the driver’s loops for his good self!)

See the manager and union rep - if he’s doing the driver’s loops he has to drive!

why does he have to drive ? im a driver but told them i wont be driving a royal mail van again but thats my choice as i paid for my licence not the company , and my partner i work with who does the driving , he only drives out and between loops as everything goes in bags on our lwts so he doesnt deliver any parcels out the van .so theres no difference between the driver and walkers loops . its the way to work

How do you deliver the oversized from just lwts? If you were employed as a post person who drives then I sense RM could dismiss you if you refuse to drive if they ever asked you to drive in the future?

they go on top of the lwts and inside the bags simple . i wasnt i was employed many moons ago when we had bikes and going out 3 - 4 in a van to be dropped off on deliveries , and they could try to dismiss me for not driving for them , but it wouldnt end well for them .

What about the the sacks of cat litter and dog food? Amazon boxes of cans of pop? Or are you lucky enough to have DPR drivers who do that for you?

[worktotime]

No surprise, after 6 months on delivery they realise the contract they signed is garbage compared to legacy staff for doing identical job and in some case driving the ‘non driver legacy contract person’ because they refuse to drive a van.

“because they refuse to drive a van” - some don’t drive (like me) because they’ve never learned

Fair enough. But equally, some do. One of our “non-drivers” pulls up in his licensed Hackney Carriage every day, which he insists on parking in the yard when everyone starts going out on delivery, but yet needs a new-entrant chauffeur for his RM work (while keeping the driver’s loops for his good self!)

See the manager and union rep - if he’s doing the driver’s loops he has to drive!

why does he have to drive ? im a driver but told them i wont be driving a royal mail van again but thats my choice as i paid for my licence not the company , and my partner i work with who does the driving , he only drives out and between loops as everything goes in bags on our lwts so he doesnt deliver any parcels out the van .so theres no difference between the driver and walkers loops . its the way to work

How do you deliver the oversized from just lwts? If you were employed as a post person who drives then I sense RM could dismiss you if you refuse to drive if they ever asked you to drive in the future?

they go on top of the lwts and inside the bags simple . i wasnt i was employed many moons ago when we had bikes and going out 3 - 4 in a van to be dropped off on deliveries , and they could try to dismiss me for not driving for them , but it wouldnt end well for them .

What about the the sacks of cat litter and dog food? Amazon boxes of cans of pop? Or are you lucky enough to have DPR drivers who do that for you?

all goes on our lwts and held on with a bungy cords ,and no we dont have dpr drivers and our deliveries are already 6+ hours so with there new way of working they will have to put s**t loads of duties in the office to try and get it to work ., and if they dont well s**t and fan comes to mind

[yellowbelly]

What about the the sacks of cat litter and dog food? Amazon boxes of cans of pop? Or are you lucky enough to have DPR drivers who do that for you?

all goes on our lwts and held on with a bungy cords ,and no we dont have dpr drivers and our deliveries are already 6+ hours so with there new way of working they will have to put s**t loads of duties in the office to try and get it to work ., and if they dont well s**t and fan comes to mind

That's going the extra mile wtt!

[Mr Rush]

I don't think securing items to the top of a LWT is very... secure. They should be in a closed bag.

[worktotime]

I don't think securing items to the top of a LWT is very... secure. They should be in a closed bag.

well weve been doing it for 15 years since p+ l started and never had any issues and its efficient , not like running round with a bag on your back which by the way isnt the right way to work , and then drive round delivering pkts and parcels in a van , which by the way is no quicker than using the mandatory LWT s .

[Basildon Bond]

I don't think securing items to the top of a LWT is very... secure. They should be in a closed bag.

well weve been doing it for 15 years since p+ l started and never had any issues and its efficient , not like running round with a bag on your back which by the way isnt the right way to work , and then drive round delivering pkts and parcels in a van , which by the way is no quicker than using the mandatory LWT s .

You make it sounds like the van is only needed to travel to the stopping place for a loop and then off to the next one. If that works for you great; however, with the stuff that turns up at ours it wouldn't work and the terrain/pavement does not lend itself to using a trolley.

I actually would like to use a trolley. I've used one a few times in the past and kind of liked it. It took ALL the weight off your back - 100% for that. It's like a breath of fresh air when you have no weight to carry. You could get two bags easily on to it - even three and you could get a few bigger parcels on it (but I always had them in a bag as I probably would only get 10 steps before the slope of the pavement would make everything topple off ).

The main problem is that it was a lot slower. And I mean a lot. In a van share where one person used a trolley and the other didn't the loop times were totally unbalanced. The one with the trolley was 5-10 minutes slower. It forced you to use the "official" advice of "post, prepare, proceed" that tries to avoid tripping (i.e., post a handful of letters, while stationary flick through the bundle for the next drop and separate, grab the trolley and walk to that house, post those letter and repeat over and over). You had to do that method as you only had one hand free to hold the bundle of mail. Also when going up and down hills the trolley had no brake and the foot that touches the ground when you pause at a house is just bare metal and has no grip to stop the trolley running away down a slope/angle - the wheels had no brake. I was always angling the trolley just right and waiting to make should it didn't do a delayed roll-away on me (it often wanted to) - carrying a pair of wheel chocks would have been handy.

If the trolley was redesigned to hold the bundle mail, had a brake or dead man's handle (even a rubber bung on the foot would help), and possibly had a little motor for a bit of a pull up a hill I think it would be good. The loops could even be extended a bit as you could take more with you per loop. And they would have to be really compact as our vans are currently rammed. And the trolley would have to be really easy to lift out of the van and set up.

The current trolleys are a nice concept but a B- at best; they need good bit of development - and that's money and cost right there.

As things stand now, we have got ourselves into this mess of time and rushing (I know some will say they don't but who wants to be out all day slowly plodding around in the sun or cold and last back hours later than everyone else). A lot of us get a bit stressed at our speed, how long we're out total, how long we take per loop and per loop compared to our partner. It's easier just to grab the next bag from the van, adjust the straps as best you can, and toddle off to the loop. And now we're in this deeper mess of more and more being piled on to us I'm guessing most will not want to suddenly go slower.

If someone screams at me that a trolley is "doing the job properly!" I cannot argue. And I fear many postie will pay a toll for carrying a shoulder bag year after year. If this ODM comes in and we're hit with double and triple mail I think I would look at using a trolley - though I haven't seen one anywhere in my office for over a year at least.

[qwerty2]

I don't think securing items to the top of a LWT is very... secure. They should be in a closed bag.

well weve been doing it for 15 years since p+ l started and never had any issues and its efficient , not like running round with a bag on your back which by the way isnt the right way to work , and then drive round delivering pkts and parcels in a van , which by the way is no quicker than using the mandatory LWT s .

You make it sounds like the van is only needed to travel to the stopping place for a loop and then off to the next one. If that works for you great; however, with the stuff that turns up at ours it wouldn't work and the terrain/pavement does not lend itself to using a trolley.

I actually would like to use a trolley. I've used one a few times in the past and kind of liked it. It took ALL the weight off your back - 100% for that. It's like a breath of fresh air when you have no weight to carry. You could get two bags easily on to it - even three and you could get a few bigger parcels on it (but I always had them in a bag as I probably would only get 10 steps before the slope of the pavement would make everything topple off ).

The main problem is that it was a lot slower. And I mean a lot. In a van share where one person used a trolley and the other didn't the loop times were totally unbalanced. The one with the trolley was 5-10 minutes slower. It forced you to use the "official" advice of "post, prepare, proceed" that tries to avoid tripping (i.e., post a handful of letters, while stationary flick through the bundle for the next drop and separate, grab the trolley and walk to that house, post those letter and repeat over and over). You had to do that method as you only had one hand free to hold the bundle of mail. Also when going up and down hills the trolley had no brake and the foot that touches the ground when you pause at a house is just bare metal and has no grip to stop the trolley running away down a slope/angle - the wheels had no brake. I was always angling the trolley just right and waiting to make should it didn't do a delayed roll-away on me (it often wanted to) - carrying a pair of wheel chocks would have been handy.

If the trolley was redesigned to hold the bundle mail, had a brake or dead man's handle (even a rubber bung on the foot would help), and possibly had a little motor for a bit of a pull up a hill I think it would be good. The loops could even be extended a bit as you could take more with you per loop. And they would have to be really compact as our vans are currently rammed. And the trolley would have to be really easy to lift out of the van and set up.

The current trolleys are a nice concept but a B- at best; they need good bit of development - and that's money and cost right there.

As things stand now, we have got ourselves into this mess of time and rushing (I know some will say they don't but who wants to be out all day slowly plodding around in the sun or cold and last back hours later than everyone else). A lot of us get a bit stressed at our speed, how long we're out total, how long we take per loop and per loop compared to our partner. It's easier just to grab the next bag from the van, adjust the straps as best you can, and toddle off to the loop. And now we're in this deeper mess of more and more being piled on to us I'm guessing most will not want to suddenly go slower.

If someone screams at me that a trolley is "doing the job properly!" I cannot argue. And I fear many postie will pay a toll for carrying a shoulder bag year after year. If this ODM comes in and we're hit with double and triple mail I think I would look at using a trolley - though I haven't seen one anywhere in my office for over a year at least.

Few years ago came in the DO one day and saw a load of trolleys in the skip

[Chelseablue]

Use the trolley, do the (walk) do the job properly. If not your still stupid.

[scoobydo79]

Use the trolley, do the (walk) do the job properly. If not your still stupid.

This^^^^^. What the F is it with people. Ohhhh il leave My trolley in the van because it’s quicker with out it. As an added extra I get to F up my back too

[SMS1969]

Use the trolley, do the (walk) do the job properly. If not your still stupid.

This^^^^^. What the F is it with people. Ohhhh il leave My trolley in the van because it’s quicker with out it. As an added extra I get to F up my back too

It’s a macho thing with them, would rather ruin their back than be a trolly dolly. You can’t help some people.