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Martins comment,,

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Ren Hoëk wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 15:05
Acca Dacca wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 14:22
Ren Hoëk wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 12:28
The end goal is surely to separate parcels from letters completely. This would allow RM to focus on growing their market share in the market that is actually growing. So just get on with that.

Dedicated parcel routes in all DO's. Tracked, SDs and anything that doesn't fit through a letter box goes out with a driver.
Without having to piss about with packets it makes delivering letters much quicker and imo easier. You could make some pretty big duties that you just eb and flow between one day to the next.

Would save allot of prep time as well.

None of this needs to be rocket science.
A great idea

If you want to shed tens of thousands of jobs that is
That would be a goal. It's the same goal as the ODM. Reduce head count whilst still reaching targets. To create a sustainable business model that secures jobs long term. Plenty of people ready to go or will be retiring soon. Its sounds callous but RM is not a charity.

The longer this goes our competitors will happily hoover up our business.

Im glad you agree though. An endorsement of what I have said is the way forward for the business.
No competition for delivering mail, yet I suspect that RM are making a fortune out of it at the moment.
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enskied wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:21

No competition for delivering mail, yet I suspect that RM are making a fortune out of it at the moment.
There's no competition because there's next to no profit in delivering letters.
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Post by SkiSunday »

A2B wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:35
enskied wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:21

No competition for delivering mail, yet I suspect that RM are making a fortune out of it at the moment.
There's no competition because there's next to no profit in delivering letters.
Allegedly for Royal Mail maybe, but only because they spunked all their profits over to shareholders and "modernisation" whilst cutting the service/staff/value part of the company.
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SkiSunday wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:57
A2B wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:35
enskied wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:21

No competition for delivering mail, yet I suspect that RM are making a fortune out of it at the moment.
There's no competition because there's next to no profit in delivering letters.
Allegedly for Royal Mail maybe, but only because they spunked all their profits over to shareholders and "modernisation" whilst cutting the service/staff/value part of the company.
:crazy: unless we go to war with Skynet letter volume is only heading one way and RM/IDS will be looking to get out of delivering them at the earliest opportunity
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Re: Martins comment,,

Post by postmanpatscat2 »

Ren Hoëk wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 12:28
The end goal is surely to separate parcels from letters completely. This would allow RM to focus on growing their market share in the market that is actually growing. So just get on with that.

Dedicated parcel routes in all DO's. Tracked, SDs and anything that doesn't fit through a letter box goes out with a driver.
Without having to piss about with packets it makes delivering letters much quicker and imo easier. You could make some pretty big duties that you just eb and flow between one day to the next.

Would save allot of prep time as well.

None of this needs to be rocket science.

The best post I've seen while been on this forum.

I think bang on the money there and those saying oooo there would be job losses.. 😬. Many would love to leave with VR!
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A2B wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 18:36
SkiSunday wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:57
A2B wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:35
enskied wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:21

No competition for delivering mail, yet I suspect that RM are making a fortune out of it at the moment.
There's no competition because there's next to no profit in delivering letters.
Allegedly for Royal Mail maybe, but only because they spunked all their profits over to shareholders and "modernisation" whilst cutting the service/staff/value part of the company.
:crazy: unless we go to war with Skynet letter volume is only heading one way and RM/IDS will be looking to get out of delivering them at the earliest opportunity
Like I said, only RM would say letters are unprofitable whilst hiking prices for stamped mail. How exactly has Skynet cut into letter volumes exactly Elon? :left:
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Re: Martins comment,,

Post by Acca Dacca »

postmanpatscat2 wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 18:47
Ren Hoëk wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 12:28
The end goal is surely to separate parcels from letters completely. This would allow RM to focus on growing their market share in the market that is actually growing. So just get on with that.

Dedicated parcel routes in all DO's. Tracked, SDs and anything that doesn't fit through a letter box goes out with a driver.
Without having to piss about with packets it makes delivering letters much quicker and imo easier. You could make some pretty big duties that you just eb and flow between one day to the next.

Would save allot of prep time as well.

None of this needs to be rocket science.

The best post I've seen while been on this forum.

I think bang on the money there and those saying oooo there would be job losses.. 😬. Many would love to leave with VR!
You do realise that VR is not a right dont you?
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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Re: Martins comment,,

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SkiSunday wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 18:50
A2B wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 18:36
SkiSunday wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:57
A2B wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:35
enskied wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:21

No competition for delivering mail, yet I suspect that RM are making a fortune out of it at the moment.


There's no competition because there's next to no profit in delivering letters.
Allegedly for Royal Mail maybe, but only because they spunked all their profits over to shareholders and "modernisation" whilst cutting the service/staff/value part of the company.
:crazy: unless we go to war with Skynet letter volume is only heading one way and RM/IDS will be looking to get out of delivering them at the earliest opportunity
Like I said, only RM would say letters are unprofitable whilst hiking prices for stamped mail. How exactly has Skynet cut into letter volumes exactly Elon? :left:
You can't work out that RM are putting prices up to discourage letter volume?
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Post by robking »

I work in one of the pilot offices and it's an absolute unmitigated disaster.
When Ofcom allowed changes to the USO, there should have been a gradual evolution but they have turned the place upside down and after 2 months nothing is getting better, it's getting worse every day.
It's no good telling them, our line managers are like Hitler's SS men, they only obey orders and those higher up deny that the ship is sinking and are running around making changes onboard when everyone with eyes to see can see that the vessel is doomed.
As soon as that backpay comes though, I'm off, I was going to retire early in the new year, get another Xmas bonus, stamps and three paid public holidays.
But I can't stand this mess, I don't want to be part of it so that's it for me. There won't be any VRs either. people are already falling over themselves to get out.
Good luck to anyone who stays at RM beyond September.
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Re: Martins comment,,

Post by SkiSunday »

A2B wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 19:01
SkiSunday wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 18:50
A2B wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 18:36
SkiSunday wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:57
A2B wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:35
enskied wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:21

No competition for delivering mail, yet I suspect that RM are making a fortune out of it at the moment.


There's no competition because there's next to no profit in delivering letters.
Allegedly for Royal Mail maybe, but only because they spunked all their profits over to shareholders and "modernisation" whilst cutting the service/staff/value part of the company.
:crazy: unless we go to war with Skynet letter volume is only heading one way and RM/IDS will be looking to get out of delivering them at the earliest opportunity
Like I said, only RM would say letters are unprofitable whilst hiking prices for stamped mail. How exactly has Skynet cut into letter volumes exactly Elon? :left:
You can't work out that RM are putting prices up to discourage letter volume?
You said there is no profit in letters though...
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Post by norris9 »

postmanpatscat2 wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 18:47
Ren Hoëk wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 12:28
Dedicated parcel routes in all DO's. Tracked, SDs and anything that doesn't fit through a letter box goes out with a driver. Without having to piss about with packets it makes delivering letters much quicker and imo easier. You could make some pretty big duties that you just eb and flow between one day to the next.

Would save allot of prep time as well.

None of this needs to be rocket science.

The best post I've seen while been on this forum.

I think bang on the money there and those saying oooo there would be job losses.. 😬. Many would love to leave with VR!
Am I missing something, how would this lead to job losses. If anything this would mean more staff would be needed. 2 people on a van share duty doing just letters + 1 parcel driver doing on average 100 Tracked, 10 Standards, 5 Specials, across the 2 duties. You've got 3 people doing 2 duties. Granted the duties could be made bigger as 2 people would just be doing letters..... but where's the reduction in staff happening.

Delivering parcels with letters for the most part is a breeze. It's the oversize parcels and signed fors that are a momentum killer, but someone's gotta do them.
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Re: Martins comment,,

Post by A2B »

SkiSunday wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 19:36
A2B wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 19:01
SkiSunday wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 18:50
A2B wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 18:36
SkiSunday wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:57
A2B wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:35
enskied wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 17:21

No competition for delivering mail, yet I suspect that RM are making a fortune out of it at the moment.


There's no competition because there's next to no profit in delivering letters.
Allegedly for Royal Mail maybe, but only because they spunked all their profits over to shareholders and "modernisation" whilst cutting the service/staff/value part of the company.
:crazy: unless we go to war with Skynet letter volume is only heading one way and RM/IDS will be looking to get out of delivering them at the earliest opportunity
Like I said, only RM would say letters are unprofitable whilst hiking prices for stamped mail. How exactly has Skynet cut into letter volumes exactly Elon? :left:
You can't work out that RM are putting prices up to discourage letter volume?
You said there is no profit in letters though...
There isn't much unless you are delivering a parcel at the same time, RM are just accelarating the end of USO and letter delivery in general by increasing letter pricing while reducing parcel pricing.
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Post by SkiSunday »

A2B you should probably educate yourself on why RM are torpedoing letter delivery. It's nothing to do with it being unprofitable.
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Post by norris9 »

robking wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 19:18
I work in one of the pilot offices and it's an absolute unmitigated disaster.
When Ofcom allowed changes to the USO, there should have been a gradual evolution but they have turned the place upside down and after 2 months nothing is getting better, it's getting worse every day.
LMFAO.

The whole point in the USO change is to make Royal Mail's life easier; less stringent requirements, lower costs and bringing back a high quality service after years of the opposite.

It sounds like the whole setup has resulted in offices having even lower quality of service than before the trials started. :arrrghhh :roll:
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Post by GRS »

Makes me wonder if RM set up this ODM knowing it would fail. Can see them separating Letters and Parcels then running to the hills with the parcel side of things and saying they’re not delivering letters anymore (a La Denmark) thus forcing the government to take them back.