Rebuilding Royal Mail Part 2

[Valentina@1]

CWU & RM coming for legacy contracts delivery supplements,in September,in order to equalise new contracts T & C’s they will offer 1.25 overtime rate(same as new contracts) and a lump some out of the pension fund.

Keep the receipt …it’s happening 100%

[TopperGas]

The only pressure on them will be the cost of recruitment, which isn't trivial - you'd want staff to stay for a decent period to offset the cost of recruitment, uniform and training.

'Training' of course involves more than the induction day and following someone round for a day or two )maybe three of you're lucky). It also includes the time taken to become at least moderately efficient in the role, which some people manage quicker than others, but still takes time.

Training costs must be minimal in RM when it's basically a new starter following another postie for a couple of days, given MW was suggesting equalising the contracts will cost £m's. Let's face it RM seem in little rush to retain new starters by increasing their wages.

[OikOik]

The only pressure on them will be the cost of recruitment, which isn't trivial - you'd want staff to stay for a decent period to offset the cost of recruitment, uniform and training.

'Training' of course involves more than the induction day and following someone round for a day or two )maybe three of you're lucky). It also includes the time taken to become at least moderately efficient in the role, which some people manage quicker than others, but still takes time.

Training costs must be minimal in RM when it's basically a new starter following another postie for a couple of days, given MW was suggesting equalising the contracts will cost £m's. Let's face it RM seem in little rush to retain new starters by increasing their wages.

It's comical, all but 1 bloke on the new contract at my DO currently looking for new jobs and 5 have left in the last 3 months. Turn over of staff must be crazy at RM and we are a small DO.

[claretandblue]

The only pressure on them will be the cost of recruitment, which isn't trivial - you'd want staff to stay for a decent period to offset the cost of recruitment, uniform and training.

'Training' of course involves more than the induction day and following someone round for a day or two )maybe three of you're lucky). It also includes the time taken to become at least moderately efficient in the role, which some people manage quicker than others, but still takes time.

Training costs must be minimal in RM when it's basically a new starter following another postie for a couple of days, given MW was suggesting equalising the contracts will cost £m's. Let's face it RM seem in little rush to retain new starters by increasing their wages.

You're forgetting all the new uniforms.

[citypostie]

CWU & RM coming for legacy contracts delivery supplements,in September,in order to equalise new contracts T & C’s they will offer 1.25 overtime rate(same as new contracts) and a lump some out of the pension fund.

Keep the receipt …it’s happening 100%

No they won't. As the new contracts get equalised they will lose the better overtime rate and funnily enough some of them are moaning about that already saying they won't be doing overtime when they are on our crappy rate

[Mr Rush]

You're forgetting all the new uniforms.

That'll be why the 2022 uniform is so godawful cheap - they knew the future was high turnover.

[steve1873]

Jonathan Alsatia , this is simply not at all.

There are circa 20 thousand new entrants in Royal Mail and the overwhelming majority are working less than full time ie less that 40 hours. Of which only 146 have currently done more than 2 years service.

The cost to equalise new entrants in one go is 183 million pounds.

The reason being

You need to reduce the hours from 40 to 37 hours which increases the hourly rate for all new entrants is £27 million pounds.

Paid meal reliefs as Royal Mail have to reduce working hours for all new entrants is £28 million.

The supplements is £42 million.

Inner and outer London Weighting is worth 40 million.

Recruitment and retention payments cost 30 million.

When you negotiate a pay rise the more which is done in year 1 has compounded effect in years 2 and 3.

So the first step will apply to all new entrants in September and from a union position we are saying that no one should have to do more than 3 years to when they get equalisation. Importantly we want those 146 who have done two years to start having full equalisation from three years.

However whether you like it or not this company is making a double digit profit and they are not going to just chuck 183 million on the table and say everyone has full equalisation from now.

There will be incremental steps , with the first in September.

Remember this company imposed the new entrants contracts and it is the CWU who are now changing them for the better !

With all due respect, do you think new entrants are going to accept having to wait 3 years of their Royal Mail careers just to receive parity of wages of the people they are working beside? It's simply not going to work and there will be a major recruitment and retention issue going forwards unless this is sorted with pretty immediate effect.

New entrants in my unit are all pretty pissed off already because despite knowing the wage and terms prior to starting, none of them had any inkling that they were joining as part of a 2 tier workforce. They simply will not hang around for anything remotely close to 3 years.

[itsthepostie]

20,000 new entrants of which 146 have more than 2 years service.

No one is hanging about for 3 years.

[Clappedoutpostie]

But they will start being better off come September thanks to the CWU.

[BELIAL]

They started off being worse off in 23 thanks to the CWU DOING NOTHING TO OPPOSE IT. How long do you think “legacy or dinosaur terms “ will continue when RM have access to cheaper labour?

[Smoothbackground]

20,000 new entrants of which 146 have more than 2 years service.

No one is hanging about for 3 years.

The recruitment of new entrants in my region didn’t really start until July 2023, and also in London where I previously worked, so it’s no wonder only 146 of us have more than two years’ service. I suspect if you reran the calculation in August or later there would be considerably more than 146 with two years’ service.

[TopperGas]

Jonathan Alsatia , this is simply not at all.

There are circa 20 thousand new entrants in Royal Mail and the overwhelming majority are working less than full time ie less that 40 hours. Of which only 146 have currently done more than 2 years service.

The cost to equalise new entrants in one go is 183 million pounds.

The reason being

You need to reduce the hours from 40 to 37 hours which increases the hourly rate for all new entrants is £27 million pounds.

Paid meal reliefs as Royal Mail have to reduce working hours for all new entrants is £28 million.

The supplements is £42 million.

Inner and outer London Weighting is worth 40 million.

Recruitment and retention payments cost 30 million.

When you negotiate a pay rise the more which is done in year 1 has compounded effect in years 2 and 3.

So the first step will apply to all new entrants in September and from a union position we are saying that no one should have to do more than 3 years to when they get equalisation. Importantly we want those 146 who have done two years to start having full equalisation from three years.

However whether you like it or not this company is making a double digit profit and they are not going to just chuck 183 million on the table and say everyone has full equalisation from now.

There will be incremental steps , with the first in September.

Remember this company imposed the new entrants contracts and it is the CWU who are now changing them for the better !

With all due respect, do you think new entrants are going to accept having to wait 3 years of their Royal Mail careers just to receive parity of wages of the people they are working beside? It's simply not going to work and there will be a major recruitment and retention issue going forwards unless this is sorted with pretty immediate effect.

New entrants in my unit are all pretty pissed off already because despite knowing the wage and terms prior to starting, none of them had any inkling that they were joining as part of a 2 tier workforce. They simply will not hang around for anything remotely close to 3 years.

Clearly RM feel there's no rush as they are the ones making the decision to delay the changes?

[UNION JACK]

Its a NO from me its just an awful payrise and to say 2% in any talks is an absolute insult whether they revise it or not ,but where do we go now.Royal Mail know strikes will never work again because the CWU will fold as soon as the going gets tough, i think we are in a position now where its every man for himself if you dont like the terms and pay you better look for another job i doubt its going to get any better just look at the new owners history ,and that's whether your in the union or not. Royal Mail are now just the same as any parcel company poor pay and poor working conditions.

[Ren Hoëk]

Love the fact Martin Walsh has since disappeared from the comments section as his words come under scrutiny. At least have the decency to come and defend what you have said. People are asking you questions and querying your claims ffs. Pure arrogance.

[SkiSunday]

Love the fact Martin Walsh has since disappeared from the comments section as his words come under scrutiny. At least have the decency to come and defend what you have said. People are asking you questions and querying your claims ffs. Pure arrogance.

Yup, straight up shameful behaviour from Mr Walsh.