Questions about the "equalisation"....

[Kenfandango]

....of "new starts pay, terms and conditions."
What qualifies as a "new start"? We have, in my DO, 12 years of 30 hour contracts with nobody made up to full time, all on vastly differing contracts.

Despite Martin (and this isn't a dig at him personally) repeating the company line about "equality" being looked into, and offering more hours to P/Ters to reduce agency pay, we have all been told that Tuesdays are now a "no overtime" zone as the legacy contract staff with SA are clocking out early every Tuesday. This means tomorrow I'm getting in at 8am to 3 days unprepped mail, 3 days non-tracked and whatever Amazon hell arrives in the morning. Last Tuesday us part-timers (over 40% of the DO) all arrived as the F/T staff were tied up and leaving, having left the frames that didn't directly affect them untouched. Then loads of them clocked out early again, so we get penalised financially for their behaviour.

"Work your time and go home" is all fine unless you're arbitrarily punished by the company for the actions of other staff.

[ted_e_bear]

The issues you just described in your office such as full timers leaving whilst fittings stay unpreppped, undelivered items in the office despite people finishing early on previous days are absolutely down to piss poor management, they need to get a grip.

[BenacreNick]

Nobody should be clocking out early anymore - Siso doesn't lie.

[Kenfandango]

Nobody should be clocking out early anymore - Siso doesn't lie.

Apparently there's some ancient tome in a cupboard somewhere where the union once agreed that full time duty holders can't be penalised for leaving before finish time.

If you're a part timer or reserve, on the rare occasion you finish before time you get made to sit around the DO while the full timers leave

[TopperGas]

The issues you just described in your office such as full timers leaving whilst fittings stay unpreppped, undelivered items in the office despite people finishing early on previous days are absolutely down to piss poor management, they need to get a grip.

It sounds like shockingly poor management which needs to be brought to HR/Senior Managements attention?

[GRS]

Nobody should be clocking out early anymore - Siso doesn't lie.

Apparently there's some ancient tome in a cupboard somewhere where the union once agreed that full time duty holders can't be penalised for leaving before finish time.

If you're a part timer or reserve, on the rare occasion you finish before time you get made to sit around the DO while the full timers leave

Surely that can’t really be happening?????

[tramssirhc]

What's the CWU doing about it?

[yellowbelly]

The issues you just described in your office such as full timers leaving whilst fittings stay unpreppped, undelivered items in the office despite people finishing early on previous days are absolutely down to piss poor management, they need to get a grip.

It sounds like shockingly poor management which needs to be brought to HR/Senior Managements attention?

This ^^

However, you can guarantee that if those that regularly finish before completing their contracted hours are told that when they get back early tomorrow they ARE to take out undelivered items/loops, they will drop down a gear or two metaphorically and still only complete 'their duty'.

If that's the case then managers should (as they used to but don't seem to any longer) say take this loop out and do it before you
start your own walk - but they won't. All down to poor management skills.

Bring on SISO related pay - hours paid for hours worked. Until then you're going to see the practices above continue.

[Mr Rush]

Apparently there's some ancient tome in a cupboard somewhere where the union once agreed that full time duty holders can't be penalised for leaving before finish time.

That sounds like absolute bunk or a local agreement - the two are not exclusive.

[OikOik]

That is definitely a management issue. Firstly it sounds like you part timers are starting too late? Secondly, someone needs to drag the manager into an office and ask what the hell is going on.

[kazardaimenu]

If you guys are bringing loops back and the full timers are finishing early then the manager needs to get his arse in gear.

[Perseus]

There are all sorts of ‘quirks’ like this within many offices.
Seniority is king for many things which it shouldn’t be.
Finishing early as you’ve done YOUR duty whilst days and days of mail is piling up a few frames away? Sure!
Duties never added to therefore keeping them small and out of any re-sign? Sure!
First pick of holidays every year? Sure!
S/A to work your day off every week on a nice easy run when there is an overtime ban in place for the rest of office where the mail is piling up? Sure!
And if any of the above get threatened they are straight onto the rep.

[Smoothbackground]

There are all sorts of ‘quirks’ like this within many offices.
Seniority is king for many things which it shouldn’t be.
Finishing early as you’ve done YOUR duty whilst days and days of mail is piling up a few frames away? Sure!
Duties never added to therefore keeping them small and out of any re-sign? Sure!
First pick of holidays every year? Sure!
S/A to work your day off every week on a nice easy run when there is an overtime ban in place for the rest of office where the mail is piling up? Sure!
And if any of the above get threatened they are straight onto the rep.

I recognise many examples of the quirkiness you describe — it is widespread…

[thefox]

There are all sorts of ‘quirks’ like this within many offices.
Seniority is king for many things which it shouldn’t be.
Finishing early as you’ve done YOUR duty whilst days and days of mail is piling up a few frames away? Sure!
Duties never added to therefore keeping them small and out of any re-sign? Sure!
First pick of holidays every year? Sure!
S/A to work your day off every week on a nice easy run when there is an overtime ban in place for the rest of office where the mail is piling up? Sure!
And if any of the above get threatened they are straight onto the rep.
Seniority is king as it should be.

[Perseus]

@thefox seniority is king for things that it is supposed to be used for - repicks, redundancy etc.
Finishing early, first pick of overtime, first pick of annual leave etc are not what it is designed for.
Don't take it as an attack on seniority, it's the abuses of it.