Clocking in early with SISO

[world class male]

we have people starting at numerous times over the shift, but you should be ready to start work at your start time,
so imagine a queue of say 50 waiting to clock in at 5 to the hour, some may go to the toilet then grab a cuppa, then take coat off to get ready to start, they will have already lost 5/10 mins of actual work
only at RM!

[Mr Rush]

imagine a queue of say 50 waiting to clock in at 5 to the hour

I briefly worked in an Amazon fulfillment centre before doing this. Shift change in the evening was a nightmare because the incoming shift had to scan in on the dot so the outgoing crew was forced to wait. If you were at the back of a queue of hundreds (also then feeding into the lines for the metal detectors) you could be 20 minutes past your time before you walked out the door.

Scanning out in the dark at Christmas brings that feeling back. Thanks, successive network reviews!

[twoloops]

80 % go in 30 minutes early minimum then clock in 7.10 ish when there start time is 7.15 , many offices full of mugs working 2hr 30 minutes minimum FREE each week

This is the reason the pay deal will be a big fat yes by 70% 80% absolute mongs

[twoloops]

One of our managers asked me to take over scanning some packets with the PDA he was using, couldn’t help myself, I checked his “My Performance” only to find he had never scanned in or out 🫢

[Pidleypoo]

Yes they can disapline you for 8 minutes early as your not insured to be on the premises until your star time 5 minutes has been allowed so your ready for work at start time management turn a blind eye because it’s free work if anything happened to someone not on duty they would be in the

That’s fair enough but there’s people who turn up to work 1.5hr early but nothing is said to them because they don’t clock in when they get there? if I dont clock in when I walk in Id forget, just can’t see how getting to work 8 minutes early is worth being disciplined

If we can’t clock in then we shouldn’t be in the building.
The fire brigade will need the information to see who is onsite.

Again, f***ing bollox. There is a raging fire. Can you just quickly go and grab your laptop so we can check the SISO. SISO is not a reliable source of who is and isnt in the building. I don't scan out whilst out on delivery. What if there is a fire then? I could easily have returned for what ever reason.

I hear this argument a lot and it’s definitely bollox.

I know a few firefighters and they tell me the building would be checked regardless of any signing in or out sheets or on a pda.

There’s an argument about insurance but not a very provable or good one.

The only way I’ve ever been able stop people coming in early for free is to persuade them not to and explain why it’s incredibly unhelpful.

The more people do it , the less full time hours or overtime is given out and the bigger your delivery gets until at some point it’s unachievable no matter how much free work you give them.

Most of all you’re screwing over everyone you work with for all of those reasons.

[postslippete]

I'm sure big employers like RM will have comprehensive liability insurance that covers their premises 24/7 so it doesn't magically switch on and off with start times. In a real emergency the building would be searched thoroughly by the fire service and they will not rely entirely on clock-in data to know who is in the building!! The real reason behind SISO is all about attendance tracking, productivity and duty planning and if people scan in early and start work then it makes their duty looks achievable; when in reality they aren't being done within paid hours. Managers might turn a blind eye to it but over time that data does get used to justify bigger walks, fewer hours and less overtime and basically f***ing screws your own conditions.

I don't know how many times I've said it or why people clock in early for FREE. It's got bugger all to do with insurance but simply weakens your bargaining position towards achievable duties.

[Tman]

Yes, the "insurance" angle is cobblers.
Even if you turned up on your day off to get something from your locker you're covered, let alone turning up fully uniformed and ready to work.

[matthew68]

What sort of mug gives RM free time? Why?

I know, we have mugs at our place who start 1 hour early every day and then get back early and have to stand around for 40 minutes as they can’t leave early! It’s just bizarre I mean haven’t they got homes to live in!?

[Thommo44]

I'm sure big employers like RM will have comprehensive liability insurance that covers their premises 24/7 so it doesn't magically switch on and off with start times. In a real emergency the building would be searched thoroughly by the fire service and they will not rely entirely on clock-in data to know who is in the building!! The real reason behind SISO is all about attendance tracking, productivity and duty planning and if people scan in early and start work then it makes their duty looks achievable; when in reality they aren't being done within paid hours. Managers might turn a blind eye to it but over time that data does get used to justify bigger walks, fewer hours and less overtime and basically f***ing screws your own conditions.

I don't know how many times I've said it or why people clock in early for FREE. It's got bugger all to do with insurance but simply weakens your bargaining position towards achievable duties.

Correct, every business has to have both Employers Liability and Public Liability, public covers employees, visitors and trespassers.
So one way or another you are insured

[TopperGas]

I'm sure big employers like RM will have comprehensive liability insurance that covers their premises 24/7 so it doesn't magically switch on and off with start times. In a real emergency the building would be searched thoroughly by the fire service and they will not rely entirely on clock-in data to know who is in the building!! The real reason behind SISO is all about attendance tracking, productivity and duty planning and if people scan in early and start work then it makes their duty looks achievable; when in reality they aren't being done within paid hours. Managers might turn a blind eye to it but over time that data does get used to justify bigger walks, fewer hours and less overtime and basically f***ing screws your own conditions.

I don't know how many times I've said it or why people clock in early for FREE. It's got bugger all to do with insurance but simply weakens your bargaining position towards achievable duties.

Correct, every business has to have both Employers Liability and Public Liability, public covers employees, visitors and trespassers.
So one way or another you are insured

If public covers employees what does employers cover?

[Tman]

Public Liability is as it says, insurance against claims by the public, ie non-employees.

[mjd24]

80 % go in 30 minutes early minimum then clock in 7.10 ish when there start time is 7.15 , many offices full of mugs working 2hr 30 minutes minimum FREE each week

This is the reason the pay deal will be a big fat yes by 70% 80% absolute mongs

Out of interest, what pay rise % would you be happy with?

[twoloops]

Out of interest, what pay rise % would you be happy with?

Not a three year one for starters

[mjd24]

Out of interest, what pay rise % would you be happy with?

Not a three year one for starters

Why is that?

And what number would you have been happy with for this year?

[Thommo44]

Out of interest, what pay rise % would you be happy with?

Not a three year one for starters

Why is that?

And what number would you have been happy with for this year?

It should be a two year deal, and the third year would have been a chance to see where the business is going after ODM has been been proven a success or failure