CWU:Rebuilding Royal Mail – A step towards a better future – The CWU Postal Executive has unanimously endorsed Rebuilding Royal Mail part two

[TopperGas]

How are we supposed to vote on an agreement when there's so many TBC, it's like being offered a new job and all the manager can inform you is the rate of pay and the hours of work, everything else, sick pay, OT/SA, potential bonuses, etc, etc will only be confirmed once you've worked for the new company for 3+ months!!

What's the likelihood in 3 months RM will say they feel the sick pay entitlement doesn't need changing and they can't afford to increase the OT/SA rates when they are still not making any profits? You'd have thought the bare minimum would be to say that within x months new starters will get paid lunch breaks??

How is the incentive bonus going to work at the 12 trial offices, surely they aren't going to able to obtain a bonus whilst the rest of us miss out as we aren't lucky enough to be one of the chosen offices?

[zz666]

They have reached an agreement to have more talks. Great. I'll vote for that.

[GRS]

EVR terms improved but that means nothing if it’s not offered

Yep - seems very odd to keep pushing this when all we hear is “there will be no VR and never will be”!!!!

[Smoothbackground]

Can you supply us with a breakdown for a week's pay to show how you are going to earn an hourly rate of £16.22 when the above poster has suggested the new hourly standard rate for the first 40 hours work will only be £12.50(?) an hour?

Sure thing. This is with the new 4.2% increase:

Basic pay per year (2080 hours @ £15.49 per hour): £32,219.20
Overtime pay per year (480 hours @ £19.36 per hour): £9,292.80
Gross annual pay: £41,512.00

Hope that helps!

NB: i am on a full-time 40-hr contract.

[TopperGas]

Can you supply us with a breakdown for a week's pay to show how you are going to earn an hourly rate of £16.22 when the above poster has suggested the new hourly standard rate for the first 40 hours work will only be £12.50(?) an hour?

Sure thing. This is with the new 4.2% increase:

Basic pay per year (2080 hours @ £15.49 per hour): £32,219.20
Overtime pay per year (480 hours @ £19.36 per hour): £9,292.80
Gross annual pay: £41,512.00

Hope that helps!

NB: i am on a full-time 40-hr contract.

Clearly the London weighting allowance is pushing the figures up as it's increasing just your basic pay by over £6k p.a., if you worked outside of London your salary would be just over £30K for working 50 hours a week.

[Jonathan Alsatian]

4.2% of £12.54 is 53 pence so new basic hourly rate for a new contract will be £13.07 unless I'm missing something here. Bit puzzled by the previous calculations.

[kazardaimenu]

2 years salary for VRs but there will be no VRs…

[Jonathan Alsatian]

Ah Smoothbackground must get London weighting allowance. Now I understand.

[qwerty2]

Ah Smoothbackground must get London weighting allowance. Now I understand.

We're probably better off - £15 for a mars bar in London

[fadetogrey63]

4.2% of £12.54 is 53 pence so new basic hourly rate for a new contract will be £13.07 unless I'm missing something here. Bit puzzled by the previous calculations.

Yeah your correct, it's crap for us, no delivery supplement, no paid breaks and still on a less hourly rate than the person next to me doing the exact same work, I at least expected the same hourly rate.. I for one won't be putting the effort in that I currently do

[buchanpeter]

5. What are we voting on? This payrise only or this payrise and god knows what gets agreed in the future?

6. If there are to be future ballots what incentive is there for us to agree to it? Will there be financial reward?

This vote will only be on the pay rise and the other issues that have been agreed (improved VR terms, new incentive scheme, profit share, reduction in agency workers)

There will be a seperate ballot on all the unresolved issues. I would guess the incentive to vote yes on that one would be the fact it will hopefully include a better sick agreement and better overtime rates.

Could u copy and paste the section of the agreement where it sez u'll be voting on the unresolved things later so i can have a lil read?
New Entrants
Performance Scheme
Overtime rates

[tramssirhc]

4.2% for 25% extra work. That's not just any deal, it's a CWU deal.

[gary1975]

Remember nothing is agreed until everything is agreed

[Jonathan Alsatian]

4.2% of £12.54 is 53 pence so new basic hourly rate for a new contract will be £13.07 unless I'm missing something here. Bit puzzled by the previous calculations.

Yeah your correct, it's crap for us, no delivery supplement, no paid breaks and still on a less hourly rate than the person next to me doing the exact same work, I at least expected the same hourly rate.. I for one won't be putting the effort in that I currently do

It seems the equalisation process starts after September or December at the latest so hopefully another increase for new contracts isn't too far away.

Someone posted they couldn't care less about the new contract staff. Can't remember who it was. Stick that person on an afternoon DPR shift for £12.54 with no paid break during the dark nights and see how long they last. I think the cwu are wise to separate the vote about this payrise from any vote on the process of equalising the contracts (if thats what they've done?), just to stop a certain small section of petty legacy staff voting it down out of pure spite towards people on new contracts.....most old timers where I work are great and want us levelled up, but I still see comments on here from people who really don't want new starters getting the same as them. These are probably the same tossers who hide van keys to stop new starts using "their" van and refuse to speak to anyone on a new contract. The same people who don't realise dpr drivers are "postperson with driving" on their contracts, there is no such role as dpr driver, we are all OPGs and might be either carrying a bag on foot or driving a dpr van depending on what is needed by the business at any given moment. People talk about dpr drivers as if they are a separate species to posties despite their contracts and job titles being identical.

[Ren Hoëk]

What a deal. What a company.

Actual 2025 pay including delivery supplement including 4.2%. £526.26 + £30.58 = £556.84 per week. £28,955.68 per year. 


Pay including supplement if matched by inflation £573.66 + £33.37 = £607.03 per week. £31,565.56 per year




£2,609.88 worse off