Query about contract and driving.

[Ren Hoëk]

Iv had a gander through my contract and nowhere does it state I am to drive for Royal Mail. Does anyone know what distinction is made between a driving and non driving contract?

The position states Postman/Postwoman.

Iv been with RM for getting on 16 years.

How is it people can be employed with RM and not drive even if they hold a license?

If I hold one of those contracts which doesnt require me to drive can I refuse to drive for RM any longer? As I see it I would be working above and beyond my contract.

[chickenwittle]

Iv had a gander through my contract and nowhere does it state I am to drive for Royal Mail. Does anyone know what distinction is made between a driving and non driving contract?

The position states Postman/Postwoman.

Iv been with RM for getting on 16 years.

How is it people can be employed with RM and not drive even if they hold a license?

If I hold one of those contracts which doesnt require me to drive can I refuse to drive for RM any longer? As I see it I would be working above and beyond my contract.

Have you done the change over and do you currently drive for Royal Mail ?

[tramssirhc]

Iv had a gander through my contract and nowhere does it state I am to drive for Royal Mail. Does anyone know what distinction is made between a driving and non driving contract?

The position states Postman/Postwoman.

Iv been with RM for getting on 16 years.

How is it people can be employed with RM and not drive even if they hold a license?

If I hold one of those contracts which doesnt require me to drive can I refuse to drive for RM any longer? As I see it I would be working above and beyond my contract.

If your contract requires you to drive it will state clearly that you are required to drive. Somd contracts say '..… with driving'. If your contract does not require you to drive then you maybe able to withdraw your consent to drive. Outright refusal without notice will be unreasonable and a potential breach of contract. The best course of action is to discuss the contractual agreement with the employer.

[fb1969]

I joined in September 2012 and it was part of the contract then, so you must have joined just before they added it. As above, if you have driven for RM despite it not being in your contract you could be on dodgy ground if you now refused to do so - by doing it in the past it means that you have accepted it as part of your job.

[Mr Rush]

Circa 2010 when P&L was nationally rolled out is when the contracts changed. If you do not currently drive and your contract does not specify it then you are a non-driver until such time as you consent to drive.

If you drove a private car on delivery before that then you're boned, but then you'd know that from being made to drive for the last 15 years.

[Acca Dacca]

The truth is if your office is short of drivers and needs you to drive then they will make life difficult to come off the driving - probably threaten to send you to another unit

If your office has enough drivers and it makes no difference if you are the non driver in a van share because there is no need for 2 drivers as only one can drive the van each day then you *might* be able to without much fuss

[Pidleypoo]

As far as I know , if you’ve done the changeover then you’re a Royal Mail driver even if your contract doesn’t state it.

Like you it isn’t in my contract but I’ve never done a changeover or driven a Royal Mail vehicle in any capacity.

[tramssirhc]

Lets be crystal clear. There is no such thing as a 'non-driver'. Workers are either contracted to drive or they are not contracted to drive. The CWU calling workers non-drivers has caused division.

[Perseus]

Lets be crystal clear. There is no such thing as a 'non-driver'. Workers are either contracted to drive or they are not contracted to drive. The CWU calling workers non-drivers has caused division.

The CWU signing up for these pilots over 6 months ago and only now realising that thousands of staff don’t drive is amateur at best. Their solution? Ask people why they don’t want to drive for RM.

[qwerty2]

Lets be crystal clear. There is no such thing as a 'non-driver'. Workers are either contracted to drive or they are not contracted to drive. The CWU calling workers non-drivers has caused division.

The CWU signing up for these pilots over 6 months ago and only now realising that thousands of staff don’t drive is amateur at best. Their solution? Ask people why they don’t want to drive for RM.

I don't want to drive for anybody
I'm 55 don't want to learn now - too many idiots on the roads

[Acca Dacca]

Lets be crystal clear. There is no such thing as a 'non-driver'. Workers are either contracted to drive or they are not contracted to drive. The CWU calling workers non-drivers has caused division.

The CWU signing up for these pilots over 6 months ago and only now realising that thousands of staff don’t drive is amateur at best. Their solution? Ask people why they don’t want to drive for RM.

Why is the blame just at the CWU's door and not Royal Mail's? The business knew exactly how many of their workers didnt have licenses before coming up with the idea.

[Judgee]

Driving isn't in my contract. I was pushed into driving a few years back when I didn't really want to do it. Later on I withdrew from driving and there was nothing they could do about it as it was not in my contract!

If it's not in your contract and you don't want to do it just withdraw from it!

[Perseus]

Lets be crystal clear. There is no such thing as a 'non-driver'. Workers are either contracted to drive or they are not contracted to drive. The CWU calling workers non-drivers has caused division.

The CWU signing up for these pilots over 6 months ago and only now realising that thousands of staff don’t drive is amateur at best. Their solution? Ask people why they don’t want to drive for RM.

Why is the blame just at the CWU's door and not Royal Mail's? The business knew exactly how many of their workers didnt have licenses before coming up with the idea.

Because the union is being tasked with making it work to prevent job losses. I don't think the company cares if it works or not - and if the latter it pushes for a 3 day a week service.

[theargyspy]

Lets be crystal clear. There is no such thing as a 'non-driver'. Workers are either contracted to drive or they are not contracted to drive. The CWU calling workers non-drivers has caused division.

The CWU signing up for these pilots over 6 months ago and only now realising that thousands of staff don’t drive is amateur at best. Their solution? Ask people why they don’t want to drive for RM.

Why is the blame just at the CWU's door and not Royal Mail's? The business knew exactly how many of their workers didnt have licenses before coming up with the idea.

Not sure how you have come to the conclusion that " The business knew exactly how many of their workers didn't have licenses before coming up with the idea" How an earth could they possibly know? they are only now starting to get an idea by asking the Non drivers if they have a licence or not, which would suggest to me they had no idea before that or they wouldn't be asking!

[Acca Dacca]

Lets be crystal clear. There is no such thing as a 'non-driver'. Workers are either contracted to drive or they are not contracted to drive. The CWU calling workers non-drivers has caused division.

The CWU signing up for these pilots over 6 months ago and only now realising that thousands of staff don’t drive is amateur at best. Their solution? Ask people why they don’t want to drive for RM.

Why is the blame just at the CWU's door and not Royal Mail's? The business knew exactly how many of their workers didnt have licenses before coming up with the idea.

Not sure how you have come to the conclusion that " The business knew exactly how many of their workers didn't have licenses before coming up with the idea" How an earth could they possibly know? they are only now starting to get an idea by asking the Non drivers if they have a licence or not, which would suggest to me they had no idea before that or they wouldn't be asking!

Ok well they knew how many have never driven for Royal Mail AT ALL since joining