Hi all,
Our depot has just today been given 2 new shift options today to vote on
1 - 2 Saturdays off in every six weeks
2- 6 banked weeks ( so work 6 weeks then have a week off ), but also 2 Saturdays off every 6 weeks
Just wondered f anyone is doing either of these and the pros and cons you've noticed?
Or anyone who is about to vote on these shifts and the general feeling at work about them.
Must admit shift 2 appeals to me more if you can actually get your annual leave placed strategically to get as much break as poss.
are you one of the pilot offices ? , as the cwu has told no reps to be involved in any of this without any joint agreement beyond the pilot offices until it works , so if your dim is trying to push it through you need to contact your area rep and cwu HQS and inform them .
We've got the posters up (2 in 5, 2 in 6, Banked/Wallington) and we are not a pilot office. Commencing the week beginning September 15th. The trials are over - it's happening.
it doesnt matter what they have put up according to ward and walsh he said nothing will be going forward until they get the pilot offices working right so is that bullshit then ? maybe he can come on here and put everybody right on this then , this is what winds members up . come on MARTIN WALSH get yourself on here and answer these issues .
Why should mw come on here an answer issues when all he gets is personal abuse.
it doesnt matter what they have put up according to ward and walsh he said nothing will be going forward until they get the pilot offices working right so is that bullshit then ?
The CWU are currently pleading with an asteroid on a direct collision course to turn around. And the ODM is not dependent on USO reform as in reduction of days of service because it technically fulfills the current six day criteria. The proposed arrangement for Saturdays could be argued to be a return to the pre-SDD operation (shorter day, mailsort left, etc) and that never required specific legislation. Even if Ofcom announced support for a five day operation it would still need to go through parliament and that's not going to happen before Christmas, but the ODM is!
Why should mw come on here an answer issues when all he gets is personal abuse.
Stop multi quoting everyone here just to add nothing to the conversation.
Martin Walsh gives as good as he takes on here. He has been quick enough to defend the pilots previously, just like yourself saying Ballymena pilot was doing fine. CWU leaders are a bunch of charlatans.
Last edited by SkiSunday on 25 Jun 2025, 05:06, edited 1 time in total.
Hi all,
Our depot has just today been given 2 new shift options today to vote on
1 - 2 Saturdays off in every six weeks
2- 6 banked weeks ( so work 6 weeks then have a week off ), but also 2 Saturdays off every 6 weeks
Just wondered f anyone is doing either of these and the pros and cons you've noticed?
Or anyone who is about to vote on these shifts and the general feeling at work about them.
Must admit shift 2 appeals to me more if you can actually get your annual leave placed strategically to get as much break as poss.
Hi all,
Our depot has just today been given 2 new shift options today to vote on
1 - 2 Saturdays off in every six weeks
2- 6 banked weeks ( so work 6 weeks then have a week off ), but also 2 Saturdays off every 6 weeks
Just wondered f anyone is doing either of these and the pros and cons you've noticed?
Or anyone who is about to vote on these shifts and the general feeling at work about them.
Must admit shift 2 appeals to me more if you can actually get your annual leave placed strategically to get as much break as poss.
There are seven options to vote for.
that’s what i believed , but only 2 are up on big posters with a ballot box , i didn’t think
we were supposed to be doin anything until Uso agreed .
Hi all,
Our depot has just today been given 2 new shift options today to vote on
1 - 2 Saturdays off in every six weeks
2- 6 banked weeks ( so work 6 weeks then have a week off ), but also 2 Saturdays off every 6 weeks
Just wondered f anyone is doing either of these and the pros and cons you've noticed?
Or anyone who is about to vote on these shifts and the general feeling at work about them.
Must admit shift 2 appeals to me more if you can actually get your annual leave placed strategically to get as much break as poss.
are you one of the pilot offices ? , as the cwu has told no reps to be involved in any of this without any joint agreement beyond the pilot offices until it works , so if your dim is trying to push it through you need to contact your area rep and cwu HQS and inform them .
yes this is what we are all
saying, our rep is not the best tbh but will be speaking to her today as the rest of the office will, not voting for anything.
Hopefully this is covered in today’s CWU update from the pilot offices - but it isn’t acceptable to go from the heralded 7 choices of attendance patterns to having them practically enforced. It is my understanding that you can have a number of different patterns within an office as people shouldn’t be penalised if management can’t make it work. Not every office is like the first pilot one where they had 20 singleton driving duties.
Our office is being told by management (after a scoping exercise to see interest for a 4 day went quiet), that now only 1 shift pattern will work in our DO and thats a 2 in 6 shift pattern.
So definitely not a choice out of 7 duty patterns and by the sounds of it not even a real democratic vote at all. Even if a vote happens no doubt it has already been arranged behind closed doors.
This whole "Duty pattern” saga could have been communicated a lot better had the CWU said from the get go that all DO’s are different and that duty pattern choices ‘may' be limited depending on the individual workings of each DO’s.
Our office is being told by management (after a scoping exercise to see interest for a 4 day went quiet), that now only 1 shift pattern will work in our DO and thats a 2 in 6 shift pattern.
So definitely not a choice out of 7 duty patterns and by the sounds of it not even a real democratic vote at all. Even if a vote happens no doubt it has already been arranged behind closed doors.
This whole "Duty pattern” saga could have been communicated a lot better had the CWU said from the get go that all DO’s are different and that duty pattern choices ‘may' be limited depending on the individual workings of each DO’s.
I've read on here and Facebook that some offices are being given only 2 choices instead of the 7.
The 2 choices can be either 1 in 6 or 2 in 6 - clearly getting people to choose 2 in 6 Saturdays off.
Other offices are 2 in 6 or Wallington (work 6 days a week for 5 weeks and get 6th week off) and unless they already do a Wallington, then no-one will take it.
All 7 have been put on our notice board today, some are keen on a 4 day week, I think it will come down to 2 in 5 and 2 in 6.
There is going to have to be some proper explaining as to why some offices are only being given 1-2 options - some vague 'that's the way it is' just won't cut it.
All 7 have been put on our notice board today, some are keen on a 4 day week, I think it will come down to 2 in 5 and 2 in 6.
There is going to have to be some proper explaining as to why some offices are only being given 1-2 options - some vague 'that's the way it is' just won't cut it.
Apparently it all comes down to how many rural duties and how many non drivers you have in your office
All 7 have been put on our notice board today, some are keen on a 4 day week, I think it will come down to 2 in 5 and 2 in 6.
There is going to have to be some proper explaining as to why some offices are only being given 1-2 options - some vague 'that's the way it is' just won't cut it.
Apparently it all comes down to how many rural duties and how many non drivers you have in your office
Like I say, thats a bit vague and needs properly explained.
All 7 have been put on our notice board today, some are keen on a 4 day week, I think it will come down to 2 in 5 and 2 in 6.
There is going to have to be some proper explaining as to why some offices are only being given 1-2 options - some vague 'that's the way it is' just won't cut it.
Apparently it all comes down to how many rural duties and how many non drivers you have in your office
Like I say, thats a bit vague and needs properly explained.
Exactly!! Doesn’t seem very clear and I fear that it’s one of these things that happens regularly in RM…….someone says something and everyone goes round repeating it without understanding what it means until it becomes “a fact”
