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USO Reform Posties Pocket Guide.

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TopperGas
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Re: USO Reform Posties Pocket Guide.

Post by TopperGas »

Seymour Buts wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 18:53
It'd work fine if staffed properly. It won't be; that's the issue.
How can delivering double mail every single day ever work fine even in a fully staffed office?
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It would need to be staffed properly with smaller duties but it won’t so the s**t will hit the fan rapidly.
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TopperGas wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 19:22
Seymour Buts wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 18:53
It'd work fine if staffed properly. It won't be; that's the issue.
How can delivering double mail every single day ever work fine even in a fully staffed office?
It can’t on current sized duties. Duty sizes must be reduced for this to stand any chance.
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Which will require more duties to be brought back resulting in a loss of all the savings RM brought this system in to gain :roll:
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TopperGas wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 19:22
Seymour Buts wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 18:53
It'd work fine if staffed properly. It won't be; that's the issue.
How can delivering double mail every single day ever work fine even in a fully staffed office?
Because it's ridiculous how much mail has dropped off in the last couple of years. My second 'mech' had 4 letters in it Saturday. Our office doesn't function purely for a lack of bodies currently.
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Post by Seymour Buts »

The case now for not delivering post everyday is undeniable. Virtually no other country do it like we do. It's how we navigate that change that is the issue.
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Post by Mr Rush »

kazardaimenu wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 19:29
TopperGas wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 19:22
Seymour Buts wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 18:53
It'd work fine if staffed properly. It won't be; that's the issue.
How can delivering double mail every single day ever work fine even in a fully staffed office?
It can’t on current sized duties. Duty sizes must be reduced for this to stand any chance.
Reducing duty size means more duties means more staff needed to cover them. The real aim of the ODM is to bring service levels down to existing staff levels because they can't keep anyone and won't pay out to attract people. Maybe in 1988 but now that money is reserved for drawing better sociopaths into the executive suite.

Our office is deep in a hole right now due to severe understaffing and upper management (Hi, B!) are only authorising the advertising of a single vacancy. Almost certainly because they know the ODM is around the corner.
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The whole thing is based on everything being perfect in offices currently. Going into this without a revision first is crazy.
It won't be popular to hear this, but on the duties I cover, it's the same houses that get mail every day, the same ones that get mail every 3-4 days, and others get a letter, maybe, once a week. I've done a duty with 1 days mail, all parcels/boxes etc and it takes 4.5 hours. The same duty with 3 days mail takes just under 5 hours. If I can get out of office on time, I complete, if not, I don't. It's clear to see why RM are going down this money saving route.
As ever though, it's how it gets implemented and making the duties fair and achievable is key.
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Re: USO Reform Posties Pocket Guide.

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Perseus wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 20:58
The whole thing is based on everything being perfect in offices currently. Going into this without a revision first is crazy.
It won't be popular to hear this, but on the duties I cover, it's the same houses that get mail every day, the same ones that get mail every 3-4 days, and others get a letter, maybe, once a week. I've done a duty with 1 days mail, all parcels/boxes etc and it takes 4.5 hours. The same duty with 3 days mail takes just under 5 hours. If I can get out of office on time, I complete, if not, I don't. It's clear to see why RM are going down this money saving route.
As ever though, it's how it gets implemented and making the duties fair and achievable is key.
On the busy days Weds, Thurs, Fri, up to 90% of customers get mail, it doesn't really matter if they have 1 or half a dozen letters as you still have to spend time delivering their mail.

I hard it hard to believe you can deliver 3 days mail taking just 30 mins longer, that to me suggests your present duty must be a bit of a doddle, unfortunately, that's not the case in most offices.

I'm guessing RM want to implement the changes now on the assumption that mail will keep dropping, the changes may well encourage that(!), and so in a year or two work levels will become manageable. If they don't you have to hope they have a Plan B.
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Seymour Buts wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 19:54
TopperGas wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 19:22
Seymour Buts wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 18:53
It'd work fine if staffed properly. It won't be; that's the issue.
How can delivering double mail every single day ever work fine even in a fully staffed office?
Because it's ridiculous how much mail has dropped off in the last couple of years. My second 'mech' had 4 letters in it Saturday. Our office doesn't function purely for a lack of bodies currently.
A couple of weeks ago one batch on my machine for the wave 2, one walk didn't have any letters one day.
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Re: USO Reform Posties Pocket Guide.

Post by sorefeet17 »

Seymour Buts wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 19:54
TopperGas wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 19:22
Seymour Buts wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 18:53
It'd work fine if staffed properly. It won't be; that's the issue.
How can delivering double mail every single day ever work fine even in a fully staffed office?
Because it's ridiculous how much mail has dropped off in the last couple of years. My second 'mech' had 4 letters in it Saturday. Our office doesn't function purely for a lack of bodies currently.
If we are still delivering D2D's then it's not only the reduction of mail that comes into play, you will only have two days to deliver them one week, that alone would add at least add an extra hour or more onto my delivery regardless of the rest of the mail.
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Re: USO Reform Posties Pocket Guide.

Post by Perseus »

TopperGas wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 21:28
Perseus wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 20:58
The whole thing is based on everything being perfect in offices currently. Going into this without a revision first is crazy.
It won't be popular to hear this, but on the duties I cover, it's the same houses that get mail every day, the same ones that get mail every 3-4 days, and others get a letter, maybe, once a week. I've done a duty with 1 days mail, all parcels/boxes etc and it takes 4.5 hours. The same duty with 3 days mail takes just under 5 hours. If I can get out of office on time, I complete, if not, I don't. It's clear to see why RM are going down this money saving route.
As ever though, it's how it gets implemented and making the duties fair and achievable is key.
On the busy days Weds, Thurs, Fri, up to 90% of customers get mail, it doesn't really matter if they have 1 or half a dozen letters as you still have to spend time delivering their mail.

I hard it hard to believe you can deliver 3 days mail taking just 30 mins longer, that to me suggests your present duty must be a bit of a doddle, unfortunately, that's not the case in most offices.

I'm guessing RM want to implement the changes now on the assumption that mail will keep dropping, the changes may well encourage that(!), and so in a year or two work levels will become manageable. If they don't you have to hope they have a Plan B.
Many of our duties have already been optimised in a way where they take 4.5 hours on a normal day for 1 days mail and all packets. We have no DPR or LATS. Going from 1 to 3 days mail makes a 60% call rate an 80% call rate which adds on about 25% longer to the letter delivering side of things - parcels take the same amount of time if it's one standard days worth of parcels.
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Re: USO Reform Posties Pocket Guide.

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SpacePhoenix wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 21:46
Seymour Buts wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 19:54
TopperGas wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 19:22
Seymour Buts wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 18:53
It'd work fine if staffed properly. It won't be; that's the issue.
How can delivering double mail every single day ever work fine even in a fully staffed office?
Because it's ridiculous how much mail has dropped off in the last couple of years. My second 'mech' had 4 letters in it Saturday. Our office doesn't function purely for a lack of bodies currently.
A couple of weeks ago one batch on my machine for the wave 2, one walk didn't have any letters one day.
One day last week we had two trays for virtually every duty in Wave 1, when normally it's a maximum of one try., wave 2 is pretty irrelevant when we're getting enough in Wave 1
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Re: USO Reform Posties Pocket Guide.

Post by TopperGas »

Perseus wrote:
17 Jun 2025, 15:57
TopperGas wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 21:28
Perseus wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 20:58
The whole thing is based on everything being perfect in offices currently. Going into this without a revision first is crazy.
It won't be popular to hear this, but on the duties I cover, it's the same houses that get mail every day, the same ones that get mail every 3-4 days, and others get a letter, maybe, once a week. I've done a duty with 1 days mail, all parcels/boxes etc and it takes 4.5 hours. The same duty with 3 days mail takes just under 5 hours. If I can get out of office on time, I complete, if not, I don't. It's clear to see why RM are going down this money saving route.
As ever though, it's how it gets implemented and making the duties fair and achievable is key.
On the busy days Weds, Thurs, Fri, up to 90% of customers get mail, it doesn't really matter if they have 1 or half a dozen letters as you still have to spend time delivering their mail.

I hard it hard to believe you can deliver 3 days mail taking just 30 mins longer, that to me suggests your present duty must be a bit of a doddle, unfortunately, that's not the case in most offices.

I'm guessing RM want to implement the changes now on the assumption that mail will keep dropping, the changes may well encourage that(!), and so in a year or two work levels will become manageable. If they don't you have to hope they have a Plan B.
Many of our duties have already been optimised in a way where they take 4.5 hours on a normal day for 1 days mail and all packets. We have no DPR or LATS. Going from 1 to 3 days mail makes a 60% call rate an 80% call rate which adds on about 25% longer to the letter delivering side of things - parcels take the same amount of time if it's one standard days worth of parcels.
In my DO 3 days mail would be 90%, there seems to be very few houses who don't get regular maintenance, perhaps it's because it's an expanding town with plenty of new builds?
Mr Rush
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Re: USO Reform Posties Pocket Guide.

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Perseus wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 20:58
It won't be popular to hear this, but on the duties I cover, it's the same houses that get mail every day
Everyone is more familiar with the usual suspects ordering all the packets, but it goes for letters too.
2010/11 Annual Report wrote: 13% of addresses receive 74% of mail (p22).
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