Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members

[Shirtbuttons]

Clock on do your shift and then clock off.

After nearly 25 years service I’m on autopilot and now just putting my time in until I semi-retire.

I can understand it if it was job and knock. When I get back 10 minutes before time they are all queuing to sign out. They are doing 10 hour days and getting paid for 8. Madness , I’d love to have a business where they work for free .

[Jefferson Starfish]

You've got the time wrong.

No I haven't!

I'll tell you exactly the same. Either prove me wrong or mind your own business.

I'll do as I please thanks Mr Smart.

[tramssirhc]

You've got the time wrong.

No I haven't!

I'll tell you exactly the same. Either prove me wrong or mind your own business.

I'll do as I please thanks Mr Smart.

Jog on.

[sindba]

Clock on do your shift and then clock off.

After nearly 25 years service I’m on autopilot and now just putting my time in until I semi-retire.

I can understand it if it was job and knock. When I get back 10 minutes before time they are all queuing to sign out. They are doing 10 hour days and getting paid for 8. Madness , I’d love to have a business where they work for free .

They are wasting time. You might as well sign out and go home.

PDA actuals know the time you got back to the office. Trying to " trick" Siso achieves nothing.

[Walter sobchak]

Clock on do your shift and then clock off.

After nearly 25 years service I’m on autopilot and now just putting my time in until I semi-retire.

I can understand it if it was job and knock. When I get back 10 minutes before time they are all queuing to sign out. They are doing 10 hour days and getting paid for 8. Madness , I’d love to have a business where they work for free .

Idiots. Leave them to it and just worry about yourself.

I’ve got about 2 maybe 3 years tops left to put in then I’m out of it.

[Sean06]

You've got the time wrong.

No I haven't!

I'll tell you exactly the same. Either prove me wrong or mind your own business.

I'll do as I please thanks Mr Smart.

Just put the fool on foe.this site is much better without having to read pwrfc posts just put them on foe list.

[BELIAL]

Why not take your own advice and spare the rest of us from your halfwit drivel, no thought ,no analysis, no understanding, no questioning, just a dimbo following orders.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

(All of this is set against the background of a challenging financial reality for Royal Mail)

The statement above by the CWU will be the excuse for another poor pay rise .

…….towards end of video notice how ward starts to tow the company line as per

We getting shafted

Is it towing the company line being transparent with people?
It is possible that a company can be failing to turn over a regular healthy profit and stuck in a model that is outdated and unable to produce the profits it once did for a multitude of reasons?
Royal mail are now competing in a mainly gig economy industry where the competition have allot less overheads and financial restraints.
On top of that we have the USO obligation that requires an infrastructure that is very costly.
The revenue lost from letter decline has not helped either.

The flip side of that being why has an international businessman just paid £3.5B for a company that we’ve been told over the last X years is on its knees. He hasn’t walked in an paid the obligatory £1 to take on a dying company and all its problems. £3.5B - just think about that amount, even the Sphincter himself says he likes buying businesses that say they are struggling as the picture is never as bleak as it’s painted.

RM started this “no money” nonsense and have since brainwashed the CWU who just trot it out parrot fashion in every statement they put. Unfortunately it’s now the common narrative! This is a multi billion pound business and the only reason it doesn’t show the profits it should is because of the large wages, bonuses & gratuities paid out to people at the top. That in itself shows how successful financially the business itself is, however at the top end it’s run one way and at the bottom end it’s run the complete opposite where you would think we are some old corner shop business trying to survive amongst the conglomerates on the High Street.
The CWU should be attacking this not peddling the RM narrative to its members.

He obviously sees the company with a potential prosperous future and I'm sure he bought it with the assumption that some USO reform would help the company turn a corner.
We still have the best infrastructure out of all the delivery options and also trust amongst the customer.
He is a business man and will be looking to cut costs.
No doubt the push for lockers on every street corner is one of his aims to cut labour costs further in the future.
The bonuses and the wages at the top are obscene and wrong but cutting that to a reasonable, deserved amount isn't going to give us a great pay rise or better conditions.
It wouldn't save enough money.

Post COVID ST & co sanctioned a £500m shareholder dividend?

Yes that is true, but that was also nearly four years ago now.
Hasn't been the case since then. Not making excuses up for the way the company has been managed and the way we have been treated in the past, but as of the last few years there hasn't been a £500 million dividend available.
The company should have reinvested some of that back into the business and rewarded front line staff as well, but like I say that was in the past.

[Pidleypoo]

(All of this is set against the background of a challenging financial reality for Royal Mail)

The statement above by the CWU will be the excuse for another poor pay rise .

…….towards end of video notice how ward starts to tow the company line as per

We getting shafted

Is it towing the company line being transparent with people?
It is possible that a company can be failing to turn over a regular healthy profit and stuck in a model that is outdated and unable to produce the profits it once did for a multitude of reasons?
Royal mail are now competing in a mainly gig economy industry where the competition have allot less overheads and financial restraints.
On top of that we have the USO obligation that requires an infrastructure that is very costly.
The revenue lost from letter decline has not helped either.

The flip side of that being why has an international businessman just paid £3.5B for a company that we’ve been told over the last X years is on its knees. He hasn’t walked in an paid the obligatory £1 to take on a dying company and all its problems. £3.5B - just think about that amount, even the Sphincter himself says he likes buying businesses that say they are struggling as the picture is never as bleak as it’s painted.

RM started this “no money” nonsense and have since brainwashed the CWU who just trot it out parrot fashion in every statement they put. Unfortunately it’s now the common narrative! This is a multi billion pound business and the only reason it doesn’t show the profits it should is because of the large wages, bonuses & gratuities paid out to people at the top. That in itself shows how successful financially the business itself is, however at the top end it’s run one way and at the bottom end it’s run the complete opposite where you would think we are some old corner shop business trying to survive amongst the conglomerates on the High Street.
The CWU should be attacking this not peddling the RM narrative to its members.

He obviously sees the company with a potential prosperous future and I'm sure he bought it with the assumption that some USO reform would help the company turn a corner.
We still have the best infrastructure out of all the delivery options and also trust amongst the customer.
He is a business man and will be looking to cut costs.
No doubt the push for lockers on every street corner is one of his aims to cut labour costs further in the future.
The bonuses and the wages at the top are obscene and wrong but cutting that to a reasonable, deserved amount isn't going to give us a great pay rise or better conditions.
It wouldn't save enough money.

Post COVID ST & co sanctioned a £500m shareholder dividend?

Yes that is true, but that was also nearly four years ago now.
Hasn't been the case since then. Not making excuses up for the way the company has been managed and the way we have been treated in the past, but as of the last few years there hasn't been a £500 million dividend available.
The company should have reinvested some of that back into the business and rewarded front line staff as well, but like I say that was in the past.

For me the biggest reason we’ve not been turning a profit is that we simply do not deliver to the specification that we advertise.

We’ve lost contracts left right and centre because of it and that’s why we’re not doing well.

What customers want to use us when everything from d2d’s to parcels get left for days and weeks on end.

We should be in the best position with our workforce and the knowledge it has but that part is gigantically underutilised.

Don’t get me started on the stupid amounts of money wasted on really bad revisions that result in cost not only to each unit and its efficiency but the cost to the customers we lose because of it.

Add to that things like bench merging and delivery 2.0 and you realise where the problem really is and has been for years.


I’ve said this before but we need a model that is reliable like it was for literally hundreds of years and an agreed way forward as mail volumes drop but delivery points ( new builds ) increase.

[tramssirhc]

You've got the time wrong.

No I haven't!

I'll tell you exactly the same. Either prove me wrong or mind your own business.

I'll do as I please thanks Mr Smart.

Just put the fool on foe.this site is much better without having to read pwrfc posts just put them on foe list.

You"re still reading them. Like a teenager rummaging through the bushes looking for grumble mags. Sordid.

[TopperGas]

(All of this is set against the background of a challenging financial reality for Royal Mail)

The statement above by the CWU will be the excuse for another poor pay rise .

…….towards end of video notice how ward starts to tow the company line as per

We getting shafted

Is it towing the company line being transparent with people?
It is possible that a company can be failing to turn over a regular healthy profit and stuck in a model that is outdated and unable to produce the profits it once did for a multitude of reasons?
Royal mail are now competing in a mainly gig economy industry where the competition have allot less overheads and financial restraints.
On top of that we have the USO obligation that requires an infrastructure that is very costly.
The revenue lost from letter decline has not helped either.

The flip side of that being why has an international businessman just paid £3.5B for a company that we’ve been told over the last X years is on its knees. He hasn’t walked in an paid the obligatory £1 to take on a dying company and all its problems. £3.5B - just think about that amount, even the Sphincter himself says he likes buying businesses that say they are struggling as the picture is never as bleak as it’s painted.

RM started this “no money” nonsense and have since brainwashed the CWU who just trot it out parrot fashion in every statement they put. Unfortunately it’s now the common narrative! This is a multi billion pound business and the only reason it doesn’t show the profits it should is because of the large wages, bonuses & gratuities paid out to people at the top. That in itself shows how successful financially the business itself is, however at the top end it’s run one way and at the bottom end it’s run the complete opposite where you would think we are some old corner shop business trying to survive amongst the conglomerates on the High Street.
The CWU should be attacking this not peddling the RM narrative to its members.

He obviously sees the company with a potential prosperous future and I'm sure he bought it with the assumption that some USO reform would help the company turn a corner.
We still have the best infrastructure out of all the delivery options and also trust amongst the customer.
He is a business man and will be looking to cut costs.
No doubt the push for lockers on every street corner is one of his aims to cut labour costs further in the future.
The bonuses and the wages at the top are obscene and wrong but cutting that to a reasonable, deserved amount isn't going to give us a great pay rise or better conditions.
It wouldn't save enough money.

Post COVID ST & co sanctioned a £500m shareholder dividend?

Yes that is true, but that was also nearly four years ago now.
Hasn't been the case since then. Not making excuses up for the way the company has been managed and the way we have been treated in the past, but as of the last few years there hasn't been a £500 million dividend available.
The company should have reinvested some of that back into the business and rewarded front line staff as well, but like I say that was in the past.

For me the biggest reason we’ve not been turning a profit is that we simply do not deliver to the specification that we advertise.

We’ve lost contracts left right and centre because of it and that’s why we’re not doing well.

What customers want to use us when everything from d2d’s to parcels get left for days and weeks on end.

We should be in the best position with our workforce and the knowledge it has but that part is gigantically underutilised.

Don’t get me started on the stupid amounts of money wasted on really bad revisions that result in cost not only to each unit and its efficiency but the cost to the customers we lose because of it.

Add to that things like bench merging and delivery 2.0 and you realise where the problem really is and has been for years.


I’ve said this before but we need a model that is reliable like it was for literally hundreds of years and an agreed way forward as mail volumes drop but delivery points ( new builds ) increase.

Plus the millions spent electrifying our fleet when there's no real need to rush, likewise did we really need a uniform redesign, leading to whole DO's binning their old uniforms?

[Jefferson Starfish]

You've got the time wrong.

No I haven't!

I'll tell you exactly the same. Either prove me wrong or mind your own business.

I'll do as I please thanks Mr Smart.

Just put the fool on foe.this site is much better without having to read pwrfc posts just put them on foe list.

Yeah I've thought about doing that, but I think Chris's posts have a certain comedic value to them.
I like the way he keeps digging and making himself look more and more stupid.

[geordieboy123]

The 4% pay rise backdated to April offered so far hardly sounds groundbreaking by the EP Group? Either the CWU are treating us like idiots suggesting things will change under the EP Group, or they are idiots themselves for believing things will change.

I can't see increasing our hourly rate by around 50p an hour is going to attract or retain staff, particularly when our workload doubles later this year.

What worries me is if they’re offering 4% and virtually agreeing to equalisation of terms and conditions do they want Sunday working for all rather than new starters and volunteers only.

[Sean06]

Why not take your own advice and spare the rest of us from your halfwit drivel, no thought ,no analysis, no understanding, no questioning, just a dimbo following orders.

Same as you then take it your one of the few pwrfc fools

[Woody84]

The 4% pay rise backdated to April offered so far hardly sounds groundbreaking by the EP Group? Either the CWU are treating us like idiots suggesting things will change under the EP Group, or they are idiots themselves for believing things will change.

I can't see increasing our hourly rate by around 50p an hour is going to attract or retain staff, particularly when our workload doubles later this year.

What worries me is if they’re offering 4% and virtually agreeing to equalisation of terms and conditions do they want Sunday working for all rather than new starters and volunteers only.

And so it should… but also a Sunday attendance should mean a better pay rate.

One Sunday in twelve+ for everyone is better than one in three just for new entrants. Equalising t&c’s should mean exactly that.