Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members

[Deadly]

EVR or bust

It will be 12 months across the board.

And will be like rocking horse poo.

[Shirtbuttons]

I started at 7 45am today. About 30 in our office. When I started bang on my official start time ,at least half the office was tying up. The night sorters told me some had started 2 hours before their time for free. I give up. Why are they doing this and making their colleagues who want to do the job properly look lazy and slow. Why can’t we all stick together . I got back after a hard day on delivery to see all the runners staying past their time to put in next weeks d2ds.
No wonder I feel so cheesed off with it. I will go in on Monday to 3 lots of d2d when all the others are ready to go once again and be ask why I can’t complete all plus my 160 tracked.

[toonshola]

I started at 7 45am today. About 30 in our office. When I started bang on my official start time ,at least half the office was tying up. The night sorters told me some had started 2 hours before their time for free. I give up. Why are they doing this and making their colleagues who want to do the job properly look lazy and slow. Why can’t we all stick together . I got back after a hard day on delivery to see all the runners staying past their time to put in next weeks d2ds.
No wonder I feel so cheesed off with it. I will go in on Monday to 3 lots of d2d when all the others are ready to go once again and be ask why I can’t complete all plus my 160 tracked.

You can’t fix these people, they will never be changed. Then more gets added onto deliveries and they come in even earlier. It’s like drug addicts where they need to take higher doses chasing the high but instead it’s coming in earlier and earlier to complete the ever growing delivery a bit earlier than everyone else. It’s bloody selfish too as they are effectively stealing hours from part timers that could be made up to full time. I’ve worked with some in our office who start to panic if they are not on course for an hour early finish. I wish siso was more strict and forced these loons to clock out on their finish times, would solve a lot.

[kazardaimenu]

If they are tying up at start time why is your start time set so late? You’d think with all this going on they’d be able to bring in flexible start times with job and finish. If you’ve got too much to do in your time being it back and manage your own workload no need for a parliamentary debate about how much should be achievable.

[Ren Hoëk]

I started at 7 45am today. About 30 in our office. When I started bang on my official start time ,at least half the office was tying up. The night sorters told me some had started 2 hours before their time for free. I give up. Why are they doing this and making their colleagues who want to do the job properly look lazy and slow. Why can’t we all stick together . I got back after a hard day on delivery to see all the runners staying past their time to put in next weeks d2ds.
No wonder I feel so cheesed off with it. I will go in on Monday to 3 lots of d2d when all the others are ready to go once again and be ask why I can’t complete all plus my 160 tracked.

Im beyond caring. You will never change these people. Look out for number one, everyone else is.

[TopperGas]

I started at 7 45am today. About 30 in our office. When I started bang on my official start time ,at least half the office was tying up. The night sorters told me some had started 2 hours before their time for free. I give up. Why are they doing this and making their colleagues who want to do the job properly look lazy and slow. Why can’t we all stick together . I got back after a hard day on delivery to see all the runners staying past their time to put in next weeks d2ds.
No wonder I feel so cheesed off with it. I will go in on Monday to 3 lots of d2d when all the others are ready to go once again and be ask why I can’t complete all plus my 160 tracked.

Some of those must be working for below the minimum wage per hour for a job which can be quite physical?

[Mickeybrowneyes]

(All of this is set against the background of a challenging financial reality for Royal Mail)

The statement above by the CWU will be the excuse for another poor pay rise .

…….towards end of video notice how ward starts to tow the company line as per

We getting shafted

Is it towing the company line being transparent with people?
It is possible that a company can be failing to turn over a regular healthy profit and stuck in a model that is outdated and unable to produce the profits it once did for a multitude of reasons?
Royal mail are now competing in a mainly gig economy industry where the competition have allot less overheads and financial restraints.
On top of that we have the USO obligation that requires an infrastructure that is very costly.
The revenue lost from letter decline has not helped either.

The flip side of that being why has an international businessman just paid £3.5B for a company that we’ve been told over the last X years is on its knees. He hasn’t walked in an paid the obligatory £1 to take on a dying company and all its problems. £3.5B - just think about that amount, even the Sphincter himself says he likes buying businesses that say they are struggling as the picture is never as bleak as it’s painted.

RM started this “no money” nonsense and have since brainwashed the CWU who just trot it out parrot fashion in every statement they put. Unfortunately it’s now the common narrative! This is a multi billion pound business and the only reason it doesn’t show the profits it should is because of the large wages, bonuses & gratuities paid out to people at the top. That in itself shows how successful financially the business itself is, however at the top end it’s run one way and at the bottom end it’s run the complete opposite where you would think we are some old corner shop business trying to survive amongst the conglomerates on the High Street.
The CWU should be attacking this not peddling the RM narrative to its members.

He obviously sees the company with a potential prosperous future and I'm sure he bought it with the assumption that some USO reform would help the company turn a corner.
We still have the best infrastructure out of all the delivery options and also trust amongst the customer.
He is a business man and will be looking to cut costs.
No doubt the push for lockers on every street corner is one of his aims to cut labour costs further in the future.
The bonuses and the wages at the top are obscene and wrong but cutting that to a reasonable, deserved amount isn't going to give us a great pay rise or better conditions.
It wouldn't save enough money.

[tramssirhc]

I started at 7 45am today. About 30 in our office. When I started bang on my official start time ,at least half the office was tying up. The night sorters told me some had started 2 hours before their time for free. I give up. Why are they doing this and making their colleagues who want to do the job properly look lazy and slow. Why can’t we all stick together . I got back after a hard day on delivery to see all the runners staying past their time to put in next weeks d2ds.
No wonder I feel so cheesed off with it. I will go in on Monday to 3 lots of d2d when all the others are ready to go once again and be ask why I can’t complete all plus my 160 tracked.

What's the CWU doing about it? The Area Reps see the SISO data. The Div reps know what's going on. The local reps know whats going on. Show these reps up. Put in a resolution to the branch exposing the CWU failure.

[tramssirhc]

The CWU continued to sit in a room and mouth words. This costs the members money and no one else. Members are seeing absolutely nothing from this activity.

A sign of the weakness of the CWU is the constant moving date of any conclusion. Members are furious at this failure.

These talks are complex in the imagination of Walsh and the CWU executive. It is not the CWU’s role to act as an advisor to the industry on how to run a company. Nor is it Ward and Walsh’s job to act as apologists for a multi-billion pound industry which is far from destitute.

There is no end date for a full agreement for the CWU to ‘sign off’. The update today is nothing of the sort. Today's output reveals nothing about the secret talks Walsh is having.

PAY

The CWU is nowhere near a rise in pay that makes up for past losses or for future job losses and speed ups. Any rise in pay will be self-funding through the selling of members jobs, allowances and increases in productivity.

In an attempt to cover up this betrayal the CWU think a productivity scheme will placate the membership. Walsh is deluded.

NEW ENTRANTS' TERMS AND CONDITIONS

The CWU is absolutely nowhere near raising up workers so that all postal workers have the same terms and conditions. It is an outstanding issue because the CWU will not achieve parity anytime soon. Ward and Walsh calling workers ‘legacy’ is a kick in the teeth. The members have never instructed the CWU to use the term ‘legacy’.

VOLUNTARY REDUNDANCY TERMS

Despite telling Members there is no money and the industry is broke, Ward and Walsh are confident they can rustle up extra funds to give ‘legacy’ workers redundancy.

USO NEGOTIATIONS

Even though the regulator has broken ranks and tried to assert it's authority, the CWU has fully signed up to the profit making delivery method. OFCOM’s letter should have been sent to CWU HQ as well. The USO can only be altered by Parliament. Walsh is forcing through changes to working methods not changes to the USO.

A COMPLETE RE-SET

Members have been told the same thing for decades. The CWU will improve our working lives. It has never happened and this time will be no different. Ward and Walsh are gaslighting workers. Like the Who sang - ‘meet the new boss, same as the old boss’. The only major test is the members patience with Ward and Walsh.

IMPROVING SICK PAY / REDUCING AGENCY WORKERS / IMPROVING SA AND OVERTIME RATES

Just like all the clear timelines given by the CWU these will simply get altered after the CWU fail to meet them.

SUMMARY

There is no end in sight. There were very few details in the update. It has given workers very little understanding. Members urgently need a resolution. There is an even more urgent need to boot out the CWU executive taking Ward and Walsh with it.

Where do you find the time to constantly spout nonsense, do you actually have a job ?

If I'm wrong prove it. In the meantime either find something better to do at 0532 or mind your own business.

Says the bloke commenting just 21 minutes later at 0553.

You've got the time wrong. I'll tell you exactly the same. Either prove me wrong or mind your own business.

[thefox]

I started at 7 45am today. About 30 in our office. When I started bang on my official start time ,at least half the office was tying up. The night sorters told me some had started 2 hours before their time for free. I give up. Why are they doing this and making their colleagues who want to do the job properly look lazy and slow. Why can’t we all stick together . I got back after a hard day on delivery to see all the runners staying past their time to put in next weeks d2ds.
No wonder I feel so cheesed off with it. I will go in on Monday to 3 lots of d2d when all the others are ready to go once again and be ask why I can’t complete all plus my 160 tracked.

Just keep doing what you are doing and forget these losers it's a genuine illness with these people no point wasting your breath on them they are lower than rat shite.

[Walter sobchak]

Clock on do your shift and then clock off.

After nearly 25 years service I’m on autopilot and now just putting my time in until I semi-retire.

[Hyrrokkin]

(All of this is set against the background of a challenging financial reality for Royal Mail)

The statement above by the CWU will be the excuse for another poor pay rise .

…….towards end of video notice how ward starts to tow the company line as per

We getting shafted

Is it towing the company line being transparent with people?
It is possible that a company can be failing to turn over a regular healthy profit and stuck in a model that is outdated and unable to produce the profits it once did for a multitude of reasons?
Royal mail are now competing in a mainly gig economy industry where the competition have allot less overheads and financial restraints.
On top of that we have the USO obligation that requires an infrastructure that is very costly.
The revenue lost from letter decline has not helped either.

The flip side of that being why has an international businessman just paid £3.5B for a company that we’ve been told over the last X years is on its knees. He hasn’t walked in an paid the obligatory £1 to take on a dying company and all its problems. £3.5B - just think about that amount, even the Sphincter himself says he likes buying businesses that say they are struggling as the picture is never as bleak as it’s painted.

RM started this “no money” nonsense and have since brainwashed the CWU who just trot it out parrot fashion in every statement they put. Unfortunately it’s now the common narrative! This is a multi billion pound business and the only reason it doesn’t show the profits it should is because of the large wages, bonuses & gratuities paid out to people at the top. That in itself shows how successful financially the business itself is, however at the top end it’s run one way and at the bottom end it’s run the complete opposite where you would think we are some old corner shop business trying to survive amongst the conglomerates on the High Street.
The CWU should be attacking this not peddling the RM narrative to its members.

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But but the CWU appeasers will come along and condescend you for daring to say such words

[Hyrrokkin]

I started at 7 45am today. About 30 in our office. When I started bang on my official start time ,at least half the office was tying up. The night sorters told me some had started 2 hours before their time for free. I give up. Why are they doing this and making their colleagues who want to do the job properly look lazy and slow. Why can’t we all stick together . I got back after a hard day on delivery to see all the runners staying past their time to put in next weeks d2ds.
No wonder I feel so cheesed off with it. I will go in on Monday to 3 lots of d2d when all the others are ready to go once again and be ask why I can’t complete all plus my 160 tracked.

They are weirdos and pathetic as well
RM could put a stop to that stone dead if they wanted to but of course why stop pathetic mugs working for free.
I despise posties who do this and have nothing to do with them at all.

[TopperGas]

I started at 7 45am today. About 30 in our office. When I started bang on my official start time ,at least half the office was tying up. The night sorters told me some had started 2 hours before their time for free. I give up. Why are they doing this and making their colleagues who want to do the job properly look lazy and slow. Why can’t we all stick together . I got back after a hard day on delivery to see all the runners staying past their time to put in next weeks d2ds.
No wonder I feel so cheesed off with it. I will go in on Monday to 3 lots of d2d when all the others are ready to go once again and be ask why I can’t complete all plus my 160 tracked.

What's the CWU doing about it? The Area Reps see the SISO data. The Div reps know what's going on. The local reps know whats going on. Show these reps up. Put in a resolution to the branch exposing the CWU failure.

If they are clocking on and off at the correct times SISO won't show anything, although the CWU rep could be one of the gang anyway!

[TopperGas]

(All of this is set against the background of a challenging financial reality for Royal Mail)

The statement above by the CWU will be the excuse for another poor pay rise .

…….towards end of video notice how ward starts to tow the company line as per

We getting shafted

Is it towing the company line being transparent with people?
It is possible that a company can be failing to turn over a regular healthy profit and stuck in a model that is outdated and unable to produce the profits it once did for a multitude of reasons?
Royal mail are now competing in a mainly gig economy industry where the competition have allot less overheads and financial restraints.
On top of that we have the USO obligation that requires an infrastructure that is very costly.
The revenue lost from letter decline has not helped either.

The flip side of that being why has an international businessman just paid £3.5B for a company that we’ve been told over the last X years is on its knees. He hasn’t walked in an paid the obligatory £1 to take on a dying company and all its problems. £3.5B - just think about that amount, even the Sphincter himself says he likes buying businesses that say they are struggling as the picture is never as bleak as it’s painted.

RM started this “no money” nonsense and have since brainwashed the CWU who just trot it out parrot fashion in every statement they put. Unfortunately it’s now the common narrative! This is a multi billion pound business and the only reason it doesn’t show the profits it should is because of the large wages, bonuses & gratuities paid out to people at the top. That in itself shows how successful financially the business itself is, however at the top end it’s run one way and at the bottom end it’s run the complete opposite where you would think we are some old corner shop business trying to survive amongst the conglomerates on the High Street.
The CWU should be attacking this not peddling the RM narrative to its members.

He obviously sees the company with a potential prosperous future and I'm sure he bought it with the assumption that some USO reform would help the company turn a corner.
We still have the best infrastructure out of all the delivery options and also trust amongst the customer.
He is a business man and will be looking to cut costs.
No doubt the push for lockers on every street corner is one of his aims to cut labour costs further in the future.
The bonuses and the wages at the top are obscene and wrong but cutting that to a reasonable, deserved amount isn't going to give us a great pay rise or better conditions.
It wouldn't save enough money.

Post COVID ST & co sanctioned a £500m shareholder dividend?