Delivery Supplement to be part of the pay rise

[tramssirhc]

All the usual CWU loyalists pilling in trying to shore up the credibility of Martin Walsh. Lets be clear Martin stated that the functional supplements were part of the bargain. When challenged here to back up his claim that wasn't true and to explain the sellout at Mount Pleasant Martin disappeared. Then up pops the usual CWU adherents trying to defend the indefensible. Get yer leader back in here and get Martin to put it on the record.

Your constant personal nonsense with MW is tiresome and derailing a lot of threads and discussion.
If you have a point to make, it would be far more effective if you backed it up with evidence rather than just look like you are pursuing some petty personal vendetta.

It's ever so tiresome when CWU loyalists try to defend the indefensible, Martin's a big boy who can stand up for himself. I'll do what I want when I want. I'll make the points I want. The fact remains Martin has not repudiated what he stated on CWU live. Get back in your box,

He literally has.
On this thread.

You have had a conversation with him about repudiating it.

You complete and utter crushing bore.

The facts remain that the functional supplements are part of the bargain.

[postslippete]

A 3 year deal makes no sense at all because nobody, not even the OBR, knows what inflation will be in 2027 and 2028. Furthermore we inevitably receive less in one deal than we would do in 3 separate deals as seen with the last deal where the 3rd year 24/25 was, almost as an after-thought agreed at 2% and inflation has been higher than that as evidenced by other pay deals being awarded by supermarkets etc. And lastly, the Company can try to chip away at our t&C all they like;it is the CWU'S job to resist that effectively as any union worth its salt would do but alas the CWU is far from being an effective union when the it comes to negotiations and protecting T&C

Excellent point. Inflation could well spike again and if it does our real terms pay declines and we are stuck with the deal. A 3 year deal is a win for the company but more of a gamble for us. Multi-year pay deals = built-in underpayment. Other employers are offering higher increases in response to inflation because they are negotiating annually.

In the past the CWU has compromised far too easily and framed weak deals as victories like the last agreement. Most members voted for that even though they knew it was a sh*t deal because they were told that the company could go bankrupt and into administration! This USO method change will radically alter expected workloads on a daily basis and the company stands to make millions from it, if they aren't already doing so.

[postmanpatscat2]

A 3 year deal makes no sense at all because nobody, not even the OBR, knows what inflation will be in 2027 and 2028. Furthermore we inevitably receive less in one deal than we would do in 3 separate deals as seen with the last deal where the 3rd year 24/25 was, almost as an after-thought agreed at 2% and inflation has been higher than that as evidenced by other pay deals being awarded by supermarkets etc. And lastly, the Company can try to chip away at our t&C all they like;it is the CWU'S job to resist that effectively as any union worth its salt would do but alas the CWU is far from being an effective union when the it comes to negotiations and protecting T&C

Excellent point. Inflation could well spike again and if it does our real terms pay declines and we are stuck with the deal. A 3 year deal is a win for the company but more of a gamble for us. Multi-year pay deals = built-in underpayment. Other employers are offering higher increases in response to inflation because they are negotiating annually.

In the past the CWU has compromised far too easily and framed weak deals as victories like the last agreement. Most members voted for that even though they knew it was a sh*t deal because they were told that the company could go bankrupt and into administration! This USO method change will radically alter expected workloads on a daily basis and the company stands to make millions from it, if they aren't already doing so.

All the CWU are bothered about is protecting there lucrative jobs.

[hazzeem025]

It's quite simple. If the CWU f**k this up, people vote no to the deal. And the CWU should understand that if they do f**k it up, there won't be many left in the CWU. To me this is the last chance saloon for the CWU. A decent payrise and sort out the sick pay situation because it's a f***ing disgrace.

[Iva bigredbag]

Remember it comes to us to vote on so just vote it down.

Yeah and you totally trust the CWU not to fix the vote. I mean come on, the CWU are more corrupt than RM, I would not trust them one iota so I can tell you now before any pointless cwu vote has been cast that this will pass and Dave Ward and RM will be laughing at another stitch up of it's members. Honestly have no idea why the hell any postie is in this union tbh.

[stevejm]

A 3 year deal makes no sense at all because nobody, not even the OBR, knows what inflation will be in 2027 and 2028. Furthermore we inevitably receive less in one deal than we would do in 3 separate deals as seen with the last deal where the 3rd year 24/25 was, almost as an after-thought agreed at 2% and inflation has been higher than that as evidenced by other pay deals being awarded by supermarkets etc. And lastly, the Company can try to chip away at our t&C all they like;it is the CWU'S job to resist that effectively as any union worth its salt would do but alas the CWU is far from being an effective union when the it comes to negotiations and protecting T&C

Excellent point. Inflation could well spike again and if it does our real terms pay declines and we are stuck with the deal. A 3 year deal is a win for the company but more of a gamble for us. Multi-year pay deals = built-in underpayment. Other employers are offering higher increases in response to inflation because they are negotiating annually.

In the past the CWU has compromised far too easily and framed weak deals as victories like the last agreement. Most members voted for that even though they knew it was a sh*t deal because they were told that the company could go bankrupt and into administration! This USO method change will radically alter expected workloads on a daily basis and the company stands to make millions from it, if they aren't already doing so.

Totally Agree Pete.

Just as proof of Concept - today's yearly retail inflation came in at 4.5% - that is to say that retail prices are 4.5% higher than this time last May. Not only that, but the forecast was for 4,2% after the April figure was 3.7% - all to say that even the Bank Of England and other forecasters can't accurately predict what inflation will be from one MONTH to the next yet the economic geniuses leading the CWU pretend to be able to accurately forecast the inflation rate for 2028 3 years earlier in 2025 AND agree a pay increase for that year which will reflect the rate of inflation for 2028. This is major gas-lighting of a workforce largely ignorant of economic affairs.

You hit it on the head indeed - multi year pay deals are good for RM and very bad for the workforce.

But at least they know that currently inflation is at 4.5% and so a good starting point, a point of strength would be 5% EACH of the 3 years without giving up any T&C

[BELIAL]

Remember it comes to us to vote on so just vote it down.

Yeah and you totally trust the CWU not to fix the vote. I mean come on, the CWU are more corrupt than RM, I would not trust them one iota so I can tell you now before any pointless cwu vote has been cast that this will pass and Dave Ward and RM will be laughing at another stitch up of it's members. Honestly have no idea why the hell any postie is in this union tbh.

Just like the last dispute. They postponed the vote twice, dragged it out for months until they were confident of success. All the while pumping out the message
There is no alternative

You are powerless

Resistance is futile.

This union has been corrupted beyond repair , you probably would be better off without it.

[tramssirhc]

Remember it comes to us to vote on so just vote it down.

Yeah and you totally trust the CWU not to fix the vote. I mean come on, the CWU are more corrupt than RM, I would not trust them one iota so I can tell you now before any pointless cwu vote has been cast that this will pass and Dave Ward and RM will be laughing at another stitch up of it's members. Honestly have no idea why the hell any postie is in this union tbh.

Just like the last dispute. They postponed the vote twice, dragged it out for months until they were confident of success. All the while pumping out the message
There is no alternative

You are powerless

Resistance is futile.

This union has been corrupted beyond repair , you probably would be better off without it.

Without major reform workers absolutely are better off not sponsoring Ward, Walsh and the rest of the bag avoiders.

[borders]

The Union is a Busted Flush , the final nail was hammered into the coffin after the last Dispute . The Workforce is now more fractured than it has ever been .

[TopperGas]

Remember it comes to us to vote on so just vote it down.

Yeah and you totally trust the CWU not to fix the vote. I mean come on, the CWU are more corrupt than RM, I would not trust them one iota so I can tell you now before any pointless cwu vote has been cast that this will pass and Dave Ward and RM will be laughing at another stitch up of it's members. Honestly have no idea why the hell any postie is in this union tbh.

Just like the last dispute. They postponed the vote twice, dragged it out for months until they were confident of success. All the while pumping out the message
There is no alternative

You are powerless

Resistance is futile.

This union has been corrupted beyond repair , you probably would be better off without it.

Without major reform workers absolutely are better off not sponsoring Ward, Walsh and the rest of the bag avoiders.

Total and utter nonsense without a union we really would be in trouble, I can voice for.that with my own personal experiences working in a non unionised a company.

[Londonsburning]

Remember it comes to us to vote on so just vote it down.

Yeah and you totally trust the CWU not to fix the vote. I mean come on, the CWU are more corrupt than RM, I would not trust them one iota so I can tell you now before any pointless cwu vote has been cast that this will pass and Dave Ward and RM will be laughing at another stitch up of it's members. Honestly have no idea why the hell any postie is in this union tbh.

Just like the last dispute. They postponed the vote twice, dragged it out for months until they were confident of success. All the while pumping out the message
There is no alternative

You are powerless

Resistance is futile.

This union has been corrupted beyond repair , you probably would be better off without it.

Without major reform workers absolutely are better off not sponsoring Ward, Walsh and the rest of the bag avoiders.

Total and utter nonsense without a union we really would be in trouble, I can voice for.that with my own personal experiences working in a non unionised a company.

Looks like you have only experienced the shitty part of being a CWU member (last 10 years or so) because we wouldn't be any worse off than we are now without them.

[BELIAL]

You are in trouble. Tell me which bit of the job has got easier or better rewarded in the last quarter century?

[Caesar]

The Union is a Busted Flush , the final nail was hammered into the coffin after the last Dispute . The Workforce is now more fractured than it has ever been .

I believe that the last dispute was a set up. You could see how RM were pushing us and how the Union, driven by our demands acted according to RM’s script.
We were complaining about the Union before and after the dispute but we need to accept some of the blame ourselves.

[SpacePhoenix]

Total and utter nonsense without a union we really would be in trouble, I can voice for.that with my own personal experiences working in a non unionised a company.

Even when you consider that the union sold deliveries down the river?

Does the union even have 1% of influence over any decisions made by RM now? For many posties they feel like the union and RM are one and the same.

[tramssirhc]

Remember it comes to us to vote on so just vote it down.

Yeah and you totally trust the CWU not to fix the vote. I mean come on, the CWU are more corrupt than RM, I would not trust them one iota so I can tell you now before any pointless cwu vote has been cast that this will pass and Dave Ward and RM will be laughing at another stitch up of it's members. Honestly have no idea why the hell any postie is in this union tbh.

Just like the last dispute. They postponed the vote twice, dragged it out for months until they were confident of success. All the while pumping out the message
There is no alternative

You are powerless

Resistance is futile.

This union has been corrupted beyond repair , you probably would be better off without it.

Without major reform workers absolutely are better off not sponsoring Ward, Walsh and the rest of the bag avoiders.

Total and utter nonsense without a union we really would be in trouble, I can voice for.that with my own personal experiences working in a non unionised a company.

We really are in trouble. The CWU in its latest and longest incarnation does not have the interests of the working class as it's central purpose. It won't always be as rotten as it is now. The freeloaders and collaborators wont last forever. They never do. Until it does the CWU is the problem and workers are better off not validating the likes of Ward, Walsh, Boulch, Elgar, Kavanagh and the many many more bag avoiders who put their own self-interest before their class.