From Southend Pilot - CWU Live - Posties Speak Out on the USO, Kretinsky, and Pay

[yellowbelly]

How much of your walk do you leave in every day yellowbelly? How do you manage the non delivered letters over 4/5/6 days and beyond? Do you rotate, deliver daily packets mail, do exactly as your COM commands, make it up as you go along?

Not sure what you're getting at here but:

How much of your walk do you leave in every day yellowbelly?

1. If there's no OT I'll leave as much as I can't complete in my time.
2. If there's OT available I'll complete or up to 30 mins OT.

How do you manage the non delivered letters over 4/5/6 days and beyond?

3. That doesn't happen.

Do you rotate, deliver daily packets mail, do exactly as your COM commands, ....

4. If there is no OT over a period and mail is not delivered - yes, loop rotation for undelivered mail is the SOP we use and ensure SD's, tracked and collections are done over the whole delivery. An alternate loop of mail is left if necessary.

make it up as you go along?

5. No, luckily have a manager who trusts us to dynamically manage such situations ourselves, keep them informed and not to take the p**s - in return we get treated fairly. Quid pro quo.

[SkiSunday]

3. That doesn't happen.

Oh boy...

[Mr Rush]

It's important to remember that job and finish was the agreement reached when the CWU sold the second delivery - crozier agreed we could go when we were done.

The company went from agreeing to Job & Finish to denouncing it as a despicable Spanish Practice within three years. The CWU got played, as is traditional; though in their defence from what I've read about the second delivery everyone was making a rod for their own back and that hasn't changed either.

The second delivery going. Well lets be totally honest here , the majoirity of offices did not have streaming agreements and took everything out on the first delivery in fact we had over 90% of the mail going on the first delivery which was scheduled to be completed by 0930 but was not being adhered too. The reality is that those offices who did not stream the mail so they had enough to warrent 1 over 1 second deliveries then they were getting more part timers introduced and some offices had for every first delivery they had 5 second deliveries.

[tramssirhc]

It's important to remember that job and finish was the agreement reached when the CWU sold the second delivery - crozier agreed we could go when we were done.

The company went from agreeing to Job & Finish to denouncing it as a despicable Spanish Practice within three years. The CWU got played, as is traditional; though in their defence from what I've read about the second delivery everyone was making a rod for their own back and that hasn't changed either.

The second delivery going. Well lets be totally honest here , the majoirity of offices did not have streaming agreements and took everything out on the first delivery in fact we had over 90% of the mail going on the first delivery which was scheduled to be completed by 0930 but was not being adhered too. The reality is that those offices who did not stream the mail so they had enough to warrent 1 over 1 second deliveries then they were getting more part timers introduced and some offices had for every first delivery they had 5 second deliveries.

It's not true workers were making a rod for their own backs and Martin's version of history can't be trusted. We came back from first delivery and there was plenty to do on the second delivery. It was that strict that it was not unknown for workers to conceal items in their pants! Bags were inspected on return to offices. Workers were patrolled even to the point of being challenged on delivery for no tie!

The truth here is the CWU sold the second delivery in return for job and finish. It was what the bosses wanted to prevent the defence of jobs. J&F was their idea not ours. We knew full well what J&F would do - pit worker against worker, show the job up and result in more duties going. Of course the pets still get J&F and get to ghost. Despite the mess clear offices still rule.

[Alfietherat]

They spoke about job and finish in the video...

No - posties should not be going home early and nobody should think that's ok.

It would only be fair if it was job and finish where on light days you go home early and on heavy days you stay out, but the workload needs to be manageable with limits on what we take ie. a 50 parcel limit on Tracked, a limit of 4 door2doors per house per week. IMO this is the only way it can work. Parcel drivers take the excess Tracked.

This setup resolves 2 major issues; Toxic culture + Workload.

Toxic culture gone - no need to speak to management about workload.
USO met as every job has to be completed.

I'll bang on about this until the cows come home.

'Nobody should be going home.....' but '.....on light day you go home early and heavy days you stay out...'
No- on heavy days I go home on time. End of.
So - which is it? So if you go home 20 minutes early on a light Tuesday but on a heavy Wednesday you've got to stay out to do an hour? Is that what you're saying?

Anyway there won't be any 'light days' soon - it'll all be 'heavy days'.

[Shirtbuttons]

I’ve lost count the amount of years I’ve been here. They all call me the grandad, but in all those years I’ve always done my job to a very high standard. I have an unblemished record but it’s always been doom and gloom from day one. Never any praise, every team meeting puts us on a downer. Just wondering if we will ever receive any recognition before I finally retire. Always seem to be beating up the ones who are holding the business together. If only I could fit 12 hours graft into 7 and a half everyone would be happy

[bowie]

They have never made a national agreement to say you have to get your job done,at the end of the day if you have too much work you leave some,start time finish time

[tramssirhc]

They have never made a national agreement to say you have to get your job done,at the end of the day if you have too much work you leave some,start time finish time

The CWU certainly did make an agreement and it's called commitment to deliver. That agreement certainly does not contain the phrase 'start time, finish time'.

[Clappedoutpostie]

The CWU certainly did make an agreement and it's called commitment to deliver. That agreement certainly does not contain the phrase 'start time, finish time'.

Can u share a link to the “commitment to deliver” agreement please.

[bowie]

Correct there is no such agreement as in commitment to deliver,if your manager is telling you there is his talking rubbish

[tramssirhc]

The CWU certainly did make an agreement and it's called commitment to deliver. That agreement certainly does not contain the phrase 'start time, finish time'.

Can u share a link to the “commitment to deliver” agreement please.

https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 36&t=87709

[tramssirhc]

Correct there is no such agreement as in commitment to deliver,if your manager is telling you there is his talking rubbish

Yes there is and the CWU agreed it https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 36&t=87709

[Mr Rush]

The CWU certainly did make an agreement and it's called commitment to deliver. That agreement certainly does not contain the phrase 'start time, finish time'.

Can u share a link to the “commitment to deliver” agreement please.

https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 36&t=87709

The agreement is called "Commit to Deliver" but the contents are simply the old cut-off procedure and amendment of management's reporting procedure for delivery failures. 'Commit to deliver' in common parlance refers to a likely future edict that you have to clear your frame every day regardless of how much is there.

I think this agreement is fairly out of date regards the exceptionalism of failures which are now, eight years later, a daily reality.

[tramssirhc]

The CWU certainly did make an agreement and it's called commitment to deliver. That agreement certainly does not contain the phrase 'start time, finish time'.

Can u share a link to the “commitment to deliver” agreement please.

https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 36&t=87709

The agreement is called "Commit to Deliver" but the contents are simply the old cut-off procedure and amendment of management's reporting procedure for delivery failures. 'Commit to deliver' in common parlance refers to a likely future edict that you have to clear your frame every day regardless of how much is there.

I think this agreement is fairly out of date regards the exceptionalism of failures which are now, eight years later, a daily reality.

Nowts changed. Just follow what it says. I get it's groundhog day every day but it certainly isn't start time, finish time. The conversation happens and it gets agreed.

[bowie]

Good luck to the ones you are clearing there frames what ever comes in day to day,I leave work on heavy days