Relations between old guard and newbies

[CrynwrDrwg]

No issues at my DO either. If there's ever any issues, it's on a case -by-case basis—not any sort of "old vs new"

[A2B]

No issues at my DO either. If there's ever any issues, it's on a case -by-case basis—not any sort of "old vs new"

Exactly, every office is going to have issues of some sort

[Barnacle]

Only around 18% of the workforce are on new contracts - started after October 2022 - anyway. So those on older contracts are a long way from being the minority who feel defensive.

The direction of traffic is to equalise new up to our level as close as possible, not the other way round.

[Smoothbackground]

The most obvious rage bait thread I’ve seen on here.

Our office is large and we have a fair few new starters and everyone gets on.

You need to grow up if you don’t.

Everyone on the old contracts thinks we should all get the same pay and we were against these new contracts whilst being out on strike for 18 days.

It’s really embarrassing if you’re falling for the divide and conquer strategy Royal Mail have had for years.

It was Royal Mail that introduced the new contracts , not “legacy” employees or the union for that matter.

I’ll help new and old employees and talk to them as I always have whilst saying that new contracts should be paid the same as me.

You need to experience a week this side of the fence if you really believe we are all one united, cohesive, happy team.

[Perseus]

18% of staff are on new contract? Wow, we are substantially higher than that.

[A2B]

The most obvious rage bait thread I’ve seen on here.

Our office is large and we have a fair few new starters and everyone gets on.

You need to grow up if you don’t.

Everyone on the old contracts thinks we should all get the same pay and we were against these new contracts whilst being out on strike for 18 days.

It’s really embarrassing if you’re falling for the divide and conquer strategy Royal Mail have had for years.

It was Royal Mail that introduced the new contracts , not “legacy” employees or the union for that matter.

I’ll help new and old employees and talk to them as I always have whilst saying that new contracts should be paid the same as me.

You need to experience a week this side of the fence if you really believe we are all one united, cohesive, happy team.

Or maybe you work in a office with a problem?

Or maybe you have an issue with your colleagues?

You have a negative experience but you seem so sure it happens in every office in RM

[Smoothbackground]

The most obvious rage bait thread I’ve seen on here.

Our office is large and we have a fair few new starters and everyone gets on.

You need to grow up if you don’t.

Everyone on the old contracts thinks we should all get the same pay and we were against these new contracts whilst being out on strike for 18 days.

It’s really embarrassing if you’re falling for the divide and conquer strategy Royal Mail have had for years.

It was Royal Mail that introduced the new contracts , not “legacy” employees or the union for that matter.

I’ll help new and old employees and talk to them as I always have whilst saying that new contracts should be paid the same as me.

You need to experience a week this side of the fence if you really believe we are all one united, cohesive, happy team.

Or maybe you work in a office with a problem?

Or maybe you have an issue with your colleagues?

You have a negative experience but you seem so sure it happens in every office in RM

If you say so. I didn’t start this thread. I’m not the only one identifying it. Other posters in other threads have identified and called out the same problem.

I work in a good office — yet it happens here. I have worked in neighbouring offices, as well as quite a few offices up in London as a casual, and have encountered the same behaviours and traits. If you can’t see it then you are clearly immune to it and likely play a part in the creation of the unhealthy culture yourself?

[A2B]

So I have a different opinion to you so I am part of the problem?

I think I can see why you seem to have so many issues with colleagues.

[Barnacle]

18% of staff are on new contract? Wow, we are substantially higher than that.

No, you’re not. Might be a higher percentage where you work, but across the whole business the percentage really is that low.

[Perseus]

18% of staff are on new contract? Wow, we are substantially higher than that.

No, you’re not. Might be a higher percentage where you work, but across the whole business the percentage really is that low.

eh, that's what I mean. 'we' being our office.

[Barnacle]

18% of staff are on new contract? Wow, we are substantially higher than that.

No, you’re not. Might be a higher percentage where you work, but across the whole business the percentage really is that low.

eh, that's what I mean. 'we' being our office.

Oh sorry, got you

[Smoothbackground]

So I have a different opinion to you so I am part of the problem?

I think I can see why you seem to have so many issues with colleagues.

Now you’re just being unnecessarily defensive. If you cannot see a problem (ie you are immune to it), then you cannot begin to ameliorate the situation — a culture, atmosphere and environment that is patently obvious to new starters but which you are now, by dint of the passage of time and having become conditioned to it, immune/oblivious to.

And no, as it happens, we’re a tight-knit and collegiate team with no issues among ourselves. We make our own fun and games. After discovering we weren’t invited to the legacy staff’s secret Xmas party (a piss-up organised informally among themselves), we had our own Xmas party for only those staff (legacy and new-entrants) we wanted to be there. We’re setting our own agenda!

[A2B]

I posted earlier in the thread that I don't think there is a problem in our office between old and new contracted staff, you are telling me there is a problem and that I just don't see it and by doing that I'm part of the problem.

And you wonder why I seem defensive

[Iva bigredbag]

I just tell them to not sign up to the union as it's a waste of money.

[Atanarjuat]

If I can try and add more colour to the original post, perhaps the friction is simply between the full-timers and the part-timers. As it happens, an overwhelming majority of legacy are full-time while in my experience most if not all of newbies are part-time.

Full-timers want the part-timers to contribute to IPS, absorption, etc. Basically, take on the same workload as themselves. Reality is, if on a part-time shift, there simply is not enough time to do the same amount of work since the part-timers are often assigned a full-time duty by the manager.

Either the part-timer is excused from IPS and absorption, or is effectively forced into over-time in order to keep up. Either way, not ideal for all involved.

So in my view it's contradictory and unreasonable for legacy full-timers to expect the same output from newbie part-timers when the fact is the newbies are on different hours and rates. How many newbies, for example, take the same 20-minute break as the others in the morning before going out? Not in my office - the newbies are too busy prepping.

Basically, any animosity that arises may simply be the result of how things are set up and not directed at any particular group (except those responsible for creating this situation in first place).