DRAW and integration - opps RM forgot about that!

[zaphod]

What facilities do you have in your Mail Centre, with respect to DRAW of others?

[ubb 1689]

We had our first DRAW meeting on Tuesday but this will take a lot of time and patience.It's all new to us.

[niallm]

I know most of you will not be fooled, draw is a management pr scheme designed to get them out of the mire from successive independent reports into bullying within royal mail. It is now being used as a mechanism to intimidate staff and reduce their numbers. No rep or self respecting member should have anything to do with any group in their workplace.
1. Only the ambitious wannebes get involved, to progress their descent into the darkside.
2. At best they either steal your ideas and present them as their own or they pay lip servivce and do nothing.
3. They're only interested in cases that are brought against members, management almost always get away with it.
Forget their method and put your own complaint in, stand by each other in the spirit of solidarity and remember that however different we ordinary people are we still have more in common with neach other because of our class than with the boss and their agenda of sackings,intimidation and degrading treatment.

[osiris]

It is now being used as a mechanism to intimidate staff and reduce their numbers. No rep or self respecting member should have anything to do with any group in their workplace.
1. Only the ambitious wannebes get involved, to progress their descent into the darkside.
2. At best they either steal your ideas and present them as their own or they pay lip servivce and do nothing.
3. They're only interested in cases that are brought against members, management almost always get away with it.

Shocking, I had no idea. I wonder if Royal Mail realises this.

What do you base such astounding revelations on ?

[niallm]

osiris. dont know if you are being sarcastic or not but in our mc the only people who are being "disciplined" are front line staff. every time a complaint is made against a manager they close ranks, and the member making the complaint is either poopooedor they have a threat made against them that any unsubstantiated claims will be dealt with as bad faith and therefore subject to the conduct code. ps maybe you are a manager or a wannebe

[saru]

They got a DRAW group together in our office as a response to a B&H case. It (4 people) was made up of the manager's favourites, led by the manager, 3 of whom had assisted him in bullying & harassment & no CWU member in there at all!
These groups are only as good as the people in them, & you can bet your life that they won't involve anyone who might speak a modicum of sense or be seen as fair & impartial.

[norbert]

I know most of you will not be fooled, draw is a management pr scheme designed to get them out of the mire from successive independent reports into bullying within royal mail. It is now being used as a mechanism to intimidate staff and reduce their numbers. No rep or self respecting member should have anything to do with any group in their workplace.
1. Only the ambitious wannebes get involved, to progress their descent into the darkside.
2. At best they either steal your ideas and present them as their own or they pay lip servivce and do nothing.
3. They're only interested in cases that are brought against members, management almost always get away with it.
Forget their method and put your own complaint in, stand by each other in the spirit of solidarity and remember that however different we ordinary people are we still have more in common with neach other because of our class than with the boss and their agenda of sackings,intimidation and degrading treatment.

We were warned about cynicism becoming a self fulfilling prophecy by the Area Dist Rep . Sorry but I agree it's PR to impress independent bodies outside RM .

At the very best RM's only concern is keeping things within RM out of Tribunals . RM were initially inundated with embrassing B&H claims so the orders are is to twist everything round to in bad faith , close ranks to teach people a lesson for making trouble for RM , especially with the likes of the E.O.C. & CRE who are monitoring them.

There's been a mock innocence article in that comic "The Courier " but most people have been around too long and seen too much .

The best case in point, was the Holden V Royal Mail Tribunal Case( Google It) , RM were quite happy to ignore lazy , skivving staff but hound someone out of the building on vague & obscure charges for rocking RM's leaky , rotten boat

[zaphod]

IIRC, DRAW was introduced as a response to the suicide of a Postman in the midlands following bullying at work,and I suspect, lack of intervention.

RM has to be seen to be doing something, even if it is nothing.

[evilc]

We had a draw rep where I work, he wanted to change the word xmas lunch to festive lunch for fear of upsetting other religions, we told him he was out of order and in our opinion this issue was not the concern of draw.

[zaphod]

We had a draw rep where I work, he wanted to change the word xmas lunch to festive lunch for fear of upsetting other religions, we told him he was out of order and in our opinion this issue was not the concern of draw.

So upsetting our religion does not count then.

[Carnoustie]

The best case in point, was the Holden V Royal Mail Tribunal Case( Google It) , RM were quite happy to ignore lazy , skivving staff but hound someone out of the building on vague & obscure charges for rocking RM's leaky , rotten boat

See http://www.sheffieldpagans.co.uk/discus ... .php?t=571

It's an example of exactly the kind of crazy climate that occurs in any office once these bloody DRAW groups get started. In my opinion, we had no religious or racial tensions in my office until the feckin DRAW group started 'educating' people about their 'rights'. Now none of the managers dare say boo to any non-white person even if they take a 2hr break, for fear of getting an (unjustified) complaint of racial or religious discrimination thrown at them. If you're caught skiving, you shouldn't be allowed to immediately level the accusation that you're being picked on because of your race / religion. I stated in one of the waste-of-time Have Your Say surveys: the DRAW group has actually given birth to religious and racial tensions, where none existed previously. Not long after, the meetings of the DRAW group were suspended, but recently there have been moves afoot to start the thing up again

[niallm]

carnoustie, wise up to yourself and stop doing the bosses job for them. Regardless of your race/religion/sex or sexuality the bosses are going to try to divide us. Instead of picking on minorities why dont you stand up for those people and fight your corner by protecting everyones rights. I think you have been listening to a manager who like always is a gutless twat and pretends that he/she cant do anything against a person from a minority community. This is how the gutless management play their game and it definately feeds racism. There is only one class interest for us regardless of sex, sexuality, race or creed and our general interests are the same. The same can not be said of management and the boss class regardless of whether you grew up with them/live beside them/or drink in the same bar... It really is us and them.

[philippo]

We had a draw group set up just before last years strike. I was sub-rep then and was asked to go on it by managers and our area rep. They were trying to use it to push their version of D&R. They failed and it stirred up such ill feeling against them that they then cancelled it. We warned them that local I/R were at a low point and with the sacking of a driver (Frank Collins) in Sept we walked out. 4/5 days of unofficial action. (This was undermiined by our own union. Get back to work we have a more important industrial dispute, the national one. Well we now know how this deal was a sell-out to nu-labor).
About 2 months ago the Draw group was re-started and again 50%+ is still considered the awkward squad. Our aim still remains supporting Frank, finding out why we didn't get the promised JPS, justice over false and malicious complaints and why they have not been processed by the management, continued management bullying, their complete incompetance at doing their jobs.....and so on.
In a nutshell we are using their initiatives to attack them and defend ourselves. Don't think we have any illusions about this anti-union initiative but we have at least taken the authorship out of the managers hands.
This approach may not work everywhere. I'll let you know if we get anywhere with this. Use anything to keep the pressure on the managers and give the staff confidence in their own strength while organising them ready for the next battle. Is it pensions or is it closures?
Solidarity, Philiipo!

[J]

I know most of you will not be fooled, draw is a management pr scheme designed to get them out of the mire from successive independent reports into bullying within royal mail. It is now being used as a mechanism to intimidate staff and reduce their numbers. No rep or self respecting member should have anything to do with any group in their workplace.
1. Only the ambitious wannebes get involved, to progress their descent into the darkside.
2. At best they either steal your ideas and present them as their own or they pay lip servivce and do nothing.
3. They're only interested in cases that are brought against members, management almost always get away with it.
Forget their method and put your own complaint in, stand by each other in the spirit of solidarity and remember that however different we ordinary people are we still have more in common with neach other because of our class than with the boss and their agenda of sackings,intimidation and degrading treatment.

I completely agree with this. The DRAW group in our office are now highlighting on the walls on their notice boards open B&H cases (with the names changed) but is so obvious to what their on about. The management think though, that the sun shines out of their backsides and they cannot do wrong. What really got me, is the fact that the collection tins we used to have in our canteen which were for various charities and really people used to but their 1p's, 2p's 5p's etc in there from buying food in the canteen, but they were taken away coz DRAW said it was not a recognised practice to them and THEIR charity was the only one recognized!!!

People fumed over this and the fact that after the IA last year, coz there was reps on the group until this happened and this is where it went downhill, the facilitator OPG of the group decided it would be good idea to invite one of the strike-breaking casual labour employees up to the group!!! So that is where our reps stopped getting involved on that group!!

Thing is too, that they slag of their reps for doing their jobs and seem to think that they are above the CWU in the office... its unbeliveable it really is.

What got the support though, was the fact that they could do a "beer draw" every week (backed by the shift manager) and 5-6 people were missing from the floor every night to sort the draw group issues out (they even have aa treasurer and a chair and a secretary). It's terrible, so whilst management were asking for flexibility on shift (people to stay back to help clear), it was ok for people to be sitting around on the DRAW group or 3-5 hours at a time!!!

Whilst DRAW was a good idea at the start, it has now turned into a seperate entity that RM prefer... its blimmin dangerous ground folks, it really is...

[DGP1]

osiris. dont know if you are being sarcastic or not but in our mc the only people who are being "disciplined" are front line staff. every time a complaint is made against a manager they close ranks, and the member making the complaint is either poopooedor they have a threat made against them that any unsubstantiated claims will be dealt with as bad faith and therefore subject to the conduct code. ps maybe you are a manager or a wannebe

You must be over here in NI, no branch just managers running roughshod over the staff.