LTB 075/25 - Update on USO Pilot Sites

[ted_e_bear]

I've a couple of questions if anyone could help answer them.
We have 1 in 4 and 1 in 6 rotas in our office and the boss has told us today we will be losing the 1 in 4 part off the rota. I thought i had heard cwu say no one will have to change the 1 in 4 if they dont want.

Also what are the other options does anyone have a list?
What is the point of 9 options if my boss just chooses what he thinks?

Your boss is wrong there's a list of 9 options that the office votes on which one you want, apparently the trial offices all chose 2 in 5 Saturday off but one option is 9 day fortnight which gives 1 in 4 is that what you're on.

Have a look at this CWU ltb if you go down to the bottom there's some downloads with all the info for the trial offices also all the suggested attendance patterns

https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-048-25-upda ... so-pilots/

[Perseus]

I just don't see how it's possible to get anything like 2/5 Saturday off unless the whole office drives and there are zero rural duties.

[Barnacle]

I just don't see how it's possible to get anything like 2/5 Saturday off unless the whole office drives and there are zero rural duties.

They are trying to drastically reduce the number of staff and those that remain will have a monumental workload. The pilots are beset by fatigue issues and NO WONDER. But this isn’t even the worst period. All staff are still at the pilot offices. The worst bit is after the pilot, when they get rid of the staff they consider to be surplus, reducing staffing by a quarter. Then it will be absolute hell.

[SpacePhoenix]

I just don't see how it's possible to get anything like 2/5 Saturday off unless the whole office drives and there are zero rural duties.

They are trying to drastically reduce the number of staff and those that remain will have a monumental workload. The pilots are beset by fatigue issues and NO WONDER. But this isn’t even the worst period. All staff are still at the pilot offices. The worst bit is after the pilot, when they get rid of the staff they consider to be surplus, reducing staffing by a quarter. Then it will be absolute hell.

Once we get to around early September when mailings pick up again, it's going to really go to s**t but it'll be too late by then to back out. Think RM will ave already rolled it out everywhere by then.

[norris9]

They shouldn't be putting us in a situation where we cannot complete the workload in our times. The whole point in the USO change is to help Royal Mail survive as well as also meet the new USO requirements.

Tony Bouch needs to make sure the workload is achievable otherwise he might as well say goodbye to his job. None of us posties want to be in a situation where the workload is overwhelming and managers are harassing us to do the impossible.

Can the union please just push for a 'job and finish' setup with a maximum limit for Tracked parcels per day of around 50 per round....

Lapsing gone, managers off our backs, USO met as every duty is completed as long as Royal Mail staff each duty, savings made cos less managers needed, you can pace yourself as you wish - fast or slow.

Job and finish resolves a lot of issues if it is implemented fairly.

[SpacePhoenix]

They shouldn't be putting us in a situation where we cannot complete the workload in our times. The whole point in the USO change is to help Royal Mail survive as well as also meet the new USO requirements.

Tony Bouch needs to make sure the workload is achievable otherwise he might as well say goodbye to his job. None of us posties want to be in a situation where the workload is overwhelming and managers are harassing us to do the impossible.

Can the union please just push for a 'job and finish' setup with a maximum limit for Tracked parcels per day of around 50 per round....

Lapsing gone, managers off our backs, USO met as every duty is completed as long as Royal Mail staff each duty, savings made cos less managers needed, you can pace yourself as you wish - fast or slow.

Job and finish resolves a lot of issues if it is implemented fairly.

How can a limit of 50 Tracked per walk work when most packets are Tracked now? The only way I can think of would be some sort of dynamic walks with no fixed walks, otherwise some walks would get in excess of 50 a day

[claretandblue]

They shouldn't be putting us in a situation where we cannot complete the workload in our times. The whole point in the USO change is to help Royal Mail survive as well as also meet the new USO requirements.

Tony Bouch needs to make sure the workload is achievable otherwise he might as well say goodbye to his job. None of us posties want to be in a situation where the workload is overwhelming and managers are harassing us to do the impossible.

Can the union please just push for a 'job and finish' setup with a maximum limit for Tracked parcels per day of around 50 per round....

Lapsing gone, managers off our backs, USO met as every duty is completed as long as Royal Mail staff each duty, savings made cos less managers needed, you can pace yourself as you wish - fast or slow.

Job and finish resolves a lot of issues if it is implemented fairly.

How can a limit of 50 Tracked per walk work when most packets are Tracked now? The only way I can think of would be some sort of dynamic walks with no fixed walks, otherwise some walks would get in excess of 50 a day

By having relief drivers taking the excess.

[SpacePhoenix]

They shouldn't be putting us in a situation where we cannot complete the workload in our times. The whole point in the USO change is to help Royal Mail survive as well as also meet the new USO requirements.

Tony Bouch needs to make sure the workload is achievable otherwise he might as well say goodbye to his job. None of us posties want to be in a situation where the workload is overwhelming and managers are harassing us to do the impossible.

Can the union please just push for a 'job and finish' setup with a maximum limit for Tracked parcels per day of around 50 per round....

Lapsing gone, managers off our backs, USO met as every duty is completed as long as Royal Mail staff each duty, savings made cos less managers needed, you can pace yourself as you wish - fast or slow.

Job and finish resolves a lot of issues if it is implemented fairly.

How can a limit of 50 Tracked per walk work when most packets are Tracked now? The only way I can think of would be some sort of dynamic walks with no fixed walks, otherwise some walks would get in excess of 50 a day

By having relief drivers taking the excess.

Can't see that happening, where would the savings then come from that RM want? They're looking to cut hours from DOs, iirc from another thread they're looking to remove up to 100,000 hours, which I'd assume will all be coming out of DOs

[claretandblue]

They shouldn't be putting us in a situation where we cannot complete the workload in our times. The whole point in the USO change is to help Royal Mail survive as well as also meet the new USO requirements.

Tony Bouch needs to make sure the workload is achievable otherwise he might as well say goodbye to his job. None of us posties want to be in a situation where the workload is overwhelming and managers are harassing us to do the impossible.

Can the union please just push for a 'job and finish' setup with a maximum limit for Tracked parcels per day of around 50 per round....

Lapsing gone, managers off our backs, USO met as every duty is completed as long as Royal Mail staff each duty, savings made cos less managers needed, you can pace yourself as you wish - fast or slow.

Job and finish resolves a lot of issues if it is implemented fairly.

How can a limit of 50 Tracked per walk work when most packets are Tracked now? The only way I can think of would be some sort of dynamic walks with no fixed walks, otherwise some walks would get in excess of 50 a day

By having relief drivers taking the excess.

Can't see that happening, where would the savings then come from that RM want? They're looking to cut hours from DOs, iirc from another thread they're looking to remove up to 100,000 hours, which I'd assume will all be coming out of DOs

I was answering the hypothetical point about how you could equilize parcels, with job and knock,it could be done.

[Barnacle]

They shouldn't be putting us in a situation where we cannot complete the workload in our times. The whole point in the USO change is to help Royal Mail survive as well as also meet the new USO requirements.


Tony Bouch needs to make sure the workload is achievable otherwise he might as well say goodbye to his job. None of us posties want to be in a situation where the workload is overwhelming and managers are harassing us to do the impossible.

Can the union please just push for a 'job and finish' setup with a maximum limit for Tracked parcels per day of around 50 per round....

Lapsing gone, managers off our backs, USO met as every duty is completed as long as Royal Mail staff each duty, savings made cos less managers needed, you can pace yourself as you wish - fast or slow.

Job and finish resolves a lot of issues if it is implemented fairly.

How can a limit of 50 Tracked per walk work when most packets are Tracked now? The only way I can think of would be some sort of dynamic walks with no fixed walks, otherwise some walks would get in excess of 50 a day

By having relief drivers taking the excess.

Can't see that happening, where would the savings then come from that RM want? They're looking to cut hours from DOs, iirc from another thread they're looking to remove up to 100,000 hours, which I'd assume will all be coming out of DOs

I was answering the hypothetical point about how you could equilize parcels, with job and knock,it could be done.

It’s what used to happen: people would clear tracked in the afternoon on OT. They’ve created a problem for themselves by deciding they all have to be shifted on either the walks or DPR.

[SpacePhoenix]

It’s what used to happen: people would clear tracked in the afternoon on OT. They’ve created a problem for themselves by deciding they all have to be shifted on either the walks or DPR.

What % of packets were Tracked back then? It's got to be well into the 80s by now

[norris9]

How can a limit of 50 Tracked per walk work when most packets are Tracked now? The only way I can think of would be some sort of dynamic walks with no fixed walks, otherwise some walks would get in excess of 50 a day

Not sure what you mean. You just have parcel drivers taking anything above the 50. If you are on a duty that has 65 Tracked parcels for the day - you hand 15 parcels to the designated parcel driver....the 15 biggest parcels.

Job and finish is just a hypothetical idea that the union for some reason will never push for, nor will Royal Mail - I don't know why as for me it's the most obvious way of making things work better.

Job and finish resolves:

USO being met.
Toxic culture gone (no need to speak to managers about workload ever again). + More posties will stay because of this.

It's a no-brainer.

Let's face it - The CWU have absolutely failed to remove the toxic culture from our offices....job and finish is frankly the only way you can do it.

It just needs some rules built into it so that posties don't end up with an excessive workload, hence why I would put a cap on how many Tracked you take each day.

Some days you might finish 30 mins 'early', some days you might finish 30 mins 'late', but in theory you should average your current contracted hours.

The USO would still be reduced - that's how money is saved....but you have a job and knock setup....

Surely everyone is absolutely sick of the cut off procedure, speaking to managers about workload for the day and that you can't get done, they tell you it's achievable and then when you come back all the whining from management cos you bought something back. This is why a lot of people leave the company.

[clashcityrocker]

Job and finish resolves:

USO being met.
Toxic culture gone (no need to speak to managers about workload ever again).

It just needs some rules built into it so that posties don't end up with an excessive workload,

That isn't job and finish - that is commit to deliver.
What rules would be built in? The same ones we have already?

[norris9]

Job and finish resolves:

USO being met.
Toxic culture gone (no need to speak to managers about workload ever again).

It just needs some rules built into it so that posties don't end up with an excessive workload,

That isn't job and finish - that is commit to deliver.
What rules would be built in? The same ones we have already?

Commit to deliver is where you have to take everything out with you, with zero caps on anything, the only rule is you have to deliver it all no matter how long it takes. Commit to deliver also doesn't allow you to go home early if it's a light day.

Job and finish would allow you to go home early if you finish early. You would not have to take anymore than 50 Tracked out with you. That alone should prevent you from going over excessive amounts.

I find that if there are 55 Tracked or above and a lot of them are large parcels it slows you down a lot. All the scanning, then you need 2 yorks instead of 1, then the van can be awkward to load, then doing the round is inefficient as everything is piled on top of each other, you have to deliver parcels separately as they don't fit in bags, + the more parcels you have the more dockets you need to write out.

This is where you can lose so much time, so a cap at 50 Tracked would be immensely helpful. Anyone is capable of thinking up other rules around this way of working to make sure you aren't going more than 30 minutes 'over time'. Just remember - the lighter days you get no lapsing - you go home as early as you finish.



but I get it some people probably don't care about bringing stuff back and having the arguments with managers and are happy with the status quo way of working.

[clashcityrocker]

What happens if you never finish 30 minutes early?
What happens to those people who can't work 30 minutes over?

I don't think you have thought this through.
You might want to believe you have found the answer to all our problems but actually you suggestion might just make it a whole lot worse.

And don't your oversize parcels go to a DPR duty?