LTB 075/25 - Update on USO Pilot Sites

[SpacePhoenix]

Easter should be fun next year if this new way of working comes in. Households who get mail on Thursday before Good Friday will get mail the following Wednesday. Similarly those on Thursday will get mail on following Tuesday.

If the new way working is in place it'll be similar for Xmas which is a Thursday (Xmas day) and Friday (Boxing day) this year

[yellowbelly]

Are they extracting the 2C for non-2C days or is the MC sending the 2C separately? Apart from the outward MCs sending the 2C in separate trays to the inward MCs, we've not been told anything about how it's going to work at our end.

Does this answer your question? It was in the LTB.

In processing, non 1st Class letters should be deferred and held at the Mail Centre/MPU until due for delivery. This requires the strict segregation of 1c and 2c letters on both mech and manual streams and the extension of the Delivery to Specification (DTS) algorithm to defer all non 1c letters to the appropriate days. In addition, sequencing and Wave 2 Walksort can no longer be processed on the large machines (Imps/iLSM) and can only take place on the CSS machines with deferral switched on.

[SpacePhoenix]

Are they extracting the 2C for non-2C days or is the MC sending the 2C separately? Apart from the outward MCs sending the 2C in separate trays to the inward MCs, we've not been told anything about how it's going to work at our end.

Does this answer your question? It was in the LTB.

In processing, non 1st Class letters should be deferred and held at the Mail Centre/MPU until due for delivery. This requires the strict segregation of 1c and 2c letters on both mech and manual streams and the extension of the Delivery to Specification (DTS) algorithm to defer all non 1c letters to the appropriate days. In addition, sequencing and Wave 2 Walksort can no longer be processed on the large machines (Imps/iLSM) and can only take place on the CSS machines with deferral switched on.

The DSA Economy is obviously going to be classed as 2C, what do they plan on doing with the "normal" DSA? What do they plan on doing if too much 2C builds up as a result? Running the CSS machines during the daytime is not an option down to the way the DTS system works. I don't know what the cut-off time is for running in the morning but there must be a cut-off time.

1C & 2C manual letters and flats can be sorted separate frames. Every walk at a given DO must have the same non-2C days as we'll have no way of knowing what 2C is due for delivery.

[Idk]

1C & 2C manual letters and flats can be sorted separate frames. Every walk at a given DO must have the same non-2C days as we'll have no way of knowing what 2C is due for delivery.

Don't worry you'll be informed and your machines reprogrammed to deal with it.
Maybe they'll reprogram it to an extent that very few humans are required.

[yellowbelly]

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Every walk at a given DO must have the same non-2C days ...............

That's not the proposal at all if you've read any of the gumpf. Pairs of routes within an office alternate day by day in any single week with their 2nd class deliveries.

[ted_e_bear]

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Every walk at a given DO must have the same non-2C days ...............

That's not the proposal at all if you've read any of the gumpf. Pairs of routes within an office alternate day by day in any single week with their 2nd class deliveries.

He/she's been corrected on that one at least once already.

[SpacePhoenix]

We'll just have to sort and send all of the 2C to the DOs every day for manual letters and flats, they are only sorted to office level. There's 600+ walks across all the DOs in our area, there's no way that we'll be able to know which of them walks are due for delivery or even what's on each walk for manual letters and for flats.

I've yet to hear what the plan is for when we end up with the CSS batches becoming too big some days with a big increase in the amount of 2C being held each night. If an item of 2C has been held due to it being a non-2C day, the next day might be a 2C day but if there's no 1C item then it'll get held again. Once any 2C hits the 5 day limit it'll be automatically released, sequenced and sent to the DOs whether it's a 2C day or not.

If there's too much mail to run the excess will have to be sent out as manual as we aren't allowed to hold anything that hasn't come out the machine as deferred mail.

We already get a few days where some walks get 4 trays of mail, I think we could see the odd day now where a handful of walks get 5 or 6 trays.

[Idk]

We'll just have to sort and send all of the 2C to the DOs every day for manual letters and flats, they are only sorted to office level. There's 600+ walks across all the DOs in our area, there's no way that we'll be able to know which of them walks are due for delivery or even what's on each walk for manual letters and for flats.

I've yet to hear what the plan is for when we end up with the CSS batches becoming too big some days with a big increase in the amount of 2C being held each night. If an item of 2C has been held due to it being a non-2C day, the next day might be a 2C day but if there's no 1C item then it'll get held again. Once any 2C hits the 5 day limit it'll be automatically released, sequenced and sent to the DOs whether it's a 2C day or not.

If there's too much mail to run the excess will have to be sent out as manual as we aren't allowed to hold anything that hasn't come out the machine as deferred mail.

We already get a few days where some walks get 4 trays of mail, I think we could see the odd day now where a handful of walks get 5 or 6 trays.

Sweetie, you'll be modernized.
Your machines will be sent information about what walks are 2c on what day, everything else will be held as new rules will be in play, your thinking of how it works with the current rules and not the new ones coming in.
There is going to be no such thing as a 5day limit when everything has changed over.

[Alfietherat]

Non Drivers paid the same as Drivers. Now they could be working Monday-Friday. Only in Royal Mail What’s the Union doing about it?

[thefox]

Who would be a driver eh

[clashcityrocker]

Non drivers paid the same as drivers but no way of combatting the fatigue of double or triple mail every day.
What is the union doing about that?
Who would want to be a non driver?

[SpacePhoenix]

We'll just have to sort and send all of the 2C to the DOs every day for manual letters and flats, they are only sorted to office level. There's 600+ walks across all the DOs in our area, there's no way that we'll be able to know which of them walks are due for delivery or even what's on each walk for manual letters and for flats.

I've yet to hear what the plan is for when we end up with the CSS batches becoming too big some days with a big increase in the amount of 2C being held each night. If an item of 2C has been held due to it being a non-2C day, the next day might be a 2C day but if there's no 1C item then it'll get held again. Once any 2C hits the 5 day limit it'll be automatically released, sequenced and sent to the DOs whether it's a 2C day or not.

If there's too much mail to run the excess will have to be sent out as manual as we aren't allowed to hold anything that hasn't come out the machine as deferred mail.

We already get a few days where some walks get 4 trays of mail, I think we could see the odd day now where a handful of walks get 5 or 6 trays.

Sweetie, you'll be modernized.
Your machines will be sent information about what walks are 2c on what day, everything else will be held as new rules will be in play, your thinking of how it works with the current rules and not the new ones coming in.
There is going to be no such thing as a 5day limit when everything has changed over.

The 5 day limit won't be going away, it's a maximum of 5 days for the delivery of DSA Economy. If anything the 5 day limit will be needed even more as otherwise you'll get mail where for days on end on 2C days if there's no 1C it'll get deferred again and again with no limit as to how long it does.

The manual letters and the flats it'll be either we send the 2C or we hold it, in practice it's more likely we'll send it as I can't see us having the storage space. Packets take up much more floor space than they used to. At one time we'd either be sorting 1C or 2C, never with both setup at the same time, now both 1C/inward and 2C setups are in place at the same time.

If we did end up with batches where there's not enough time to run it all, the excess will have to be sent through as manual as we won't be allowed to hold anything that's not been deferred by the CSS machines. I think in the autumn when letter postings pick up again we'll have problems hitting the limits of work that we have time to run.

[Idk]

We'll just have to sort and send all of the 2C to the DOs every day for manual letters and flats, they are only sorted to office level. There's 600+ walks across all the DOs in our area, there's no way that we'll be able to know which of them walks are due for delivery or even what's on each walk for manual letters and for flats.

I've yet to hear what the plan is for when we end up with the CSS batches becoming too big some days with a big increase in the amount of 2C being held each night. If an item of 2C has been held due to it being a non-2C day, the next day might be a 2C day but if there's no 1C item then it'll get held again. Once any 2C hits the 5 day limit it'll be automatically released, sequenced and sent to the DOs whether it's a 2C day or not.

If there's too much mail to run the excess will have to be sent out as manual as we aren't allowed to hold anything that hasn't come out the machine as deferred mail.

We already get a few days where some walks get 4 trays of mail, I think we could see the odd day now where a handful of walks get 5 or 6 trays.

Sweetie, you'll be modernized.
Your machines will be sent information about what walks are 2c on what day, everything else will be held as new rules will be in play, your thinking of how it works with the current rules and not the new ones coming in.
There is going to be no such thing as a 5day limit when everything has changed over.

The 5 day limit won't be going away, it's a maximum of 5 days for the delivery of DSA Economy. If anything the 5 day limit will be needed even more as otherwise you'll get mail where for days on end on 2C days if there's no 1C it'll get deferred again and again with no limit as to how long it does.

The manual letters and the flats it'll be either we send the 2C or we hold it, in practice it's more likely we'll send it as I can't see us having the storage space. Packets take up much more floor space than they used to. At one time we'd either be sorting 1C or 2C, never with both setup at the same time, now both 1C/inward and 2C setups are in place at the same time.

If we did end up with batches where there's not enough time to run it all, the excess will have to be sent through as manual as we won't be allowed to hold anything that's not been deferred by the CSS machines. I think in the autumn when letter postings pick up again we'll have problems hitting the limits of work that we have time to run.

Your going to be allowed to hold everything under the new plans.

[SpacePhoenix]

I can see us running out of capacity a good few times in the autumn and especially in the run up towards Xmas pressure

[Londonsburning]

I can see us running out of capacity a good few times in the autumn and especially in the run up towards Xmas pressure

Welcome to the real world pal. Happens in DOs up and down the country every single year.