LTB 075/25 - Update on USO Pilot Sites

[Acca Dacca]

1000s of legacy contracts will then simply refuse to do the 6 monthly checks on their licence to get the Mon-Fri attendance and the whole business will collapse like a flan in cupboard.

There would be the risk that should it ever transpire that thousands of people suddenly stopped doing something they were doing for years on a 'custom and practise' basis it could be argued by Royal Mail to be a form of industrial action.

Maybe not. But I dont think theyd make it easy.

No it couldn't. These are workers who have a contractual variation. They are under no obligation to do anything other than they are contractually obliged to.

It could be, and I’m not saying it would be, classed as a form of working to rule though if thousands decided to stop driving when they had been which if it wasn’t following the correct process from the union to make that official action could be seen as unofficial action

[SMS1969]

People bash trams on here for calling out Walsh and co,but nobody actually has any rebuttal to what he says,I think he’s pretty spot on with his takes on stuff to be fair

[chickenwittle]

Would you all rather the CWU stepped away from this uso change and just let Royal Mail plough ahead with their own agenda ? Some of the moaning on here involves some real trivial stuff and is mainly just a front for union bashing, be careful what you wish for.

[tramssirhc]

Would you all rather the CWU stepped away from this uso change and just let Royal Mail plough ahead with their own agenda ? Some of the moaning on here involves some real trivial stuff and is mainly just a front for union bashing, be careful what you wish for.

And here we have it. 'there is no other alternative'. Anyone who says its wrong is a traitor. The CWU have been saying this shite forever. There's nothing trivial being raised, just the very basics which the CWU can't and wont put right because the CWU is a partner of the industry. No one needs to be careful if they are wishing for better than Martin Walsh is ever going to give.

[tramssirhc]

1000s of legacy contracts will then simply refuse to do the 6 monthly checks on their licence to get the Mon-Fri attendance and the whole business will collapse like a flan in cupboard.

There would be the risk that should it ever transpire that thousands of people suddenly stopped doing something they were doing for years on a 'custom and practise' basis it could be argued by Royal Mail to be a form of industrial action.

Maybe not. But I dont think theyd make it easy.

No it couldn't. These are workers who have a contractual variation. They are under no obligation to do anything other than they are contractually obliged to.

It could be, and I’m not saying it would be, classed as a form of working to rule though if thousands decided to stop driving when they had been which if it wasn’t following the correct process from the union to make that official action could be seen as unofficial action

What individual workers choose to do is nothing to do with the CWU. Enforcing a contract of employment is not unlawful. Workers choose not to do things they were not employed to do all the time. However it does not need to be like that. The answer is simple - all contract variations are planned for. If that means more singleton duties so be it. It's not that many duties per workplace so it's not a problem. The CWU aren't going to resolve it that way though because Martin Walsh has promised that he can make a profit for the bosses. Workers will need to demand it.

[scoobydo79]

Any one who thinks Kretinsky can honour any thing He has agreed to is deluded and that includes the union

[tramssirhc]

Less people doing more work, but not all over though.
The squeeze will be disproportionately put on offices that can be squeezed more due to how they are set up.
Offices that are mostly van share suburbia? Work til you drop.
Offices with a majority firms/rural duties? As you were.

It doesn't have to be like that and hopefully a local rep out there will see that it doesn't and will make the changes take contract variations into account.

It will be like that though - that is the very savings they are looking at. They won't be going easy on an office just because a rural office down the road a few miles stays as it is.
A medium sized mostly all suburban office, shared vans with say 60 walks in it is going to have 45 people doing the work that 60 people used to. Day in, day out. 30 full walks out each day, 15 parcel/1C only walks.

I don't disagree but you can tell your rep now your not having it. Tell the rep to plan for the contract variations. Ptotect each other. Start that debate now before Martin's delivery method comes in.

[tramssirhc]

Any one who thinks Kretinsky can honour any thing He has agreed to is deluded and that includes the union

Have a look at this thread viewtopic.php?f=38&t=115982

The CWU are a willing partner in whatever happens next.

[chickenwittle]

Would you all rather the CWU stepped away from this uso change and just let Royal Mail plough ahead with their own agenda ? Some of the moaning on here involves some real trivial stuff and is mainly just a front for union bashing, be careful what you wish for.

And here we have it. 'there is no other alternative'. Anyone who says its wrong is a traitor. The CWU have been saying this shite forever. There's nothing trivial being raised, just the very basics which the CWU can't and wont put right because the CWU is a partner of the industry. No one needs to be careful if they are wishing for better than Martin Walsh is ever going to give.

Why don’t you step up to the plate then as it seems you have all the answers but of course you won’t as it’s easier to come on here every day and dig out the CWU that are having to deal with a privately owned company that prioritise profits over anything else .

[norris9]

You would assume the non-drivers are mostly in their 50's or above and many probably close to retiring. You would also assume they are the ones with the most seniority, so would get paid off if voluntary redundancies are offered.

[claretandblue]

You would assume the non-drivers are mostly in their 50's or above and many probably close to retiring. You would also assume they are the ones with the most seniority, so would get paid off if voluntary redundancies are offered.

My P&L partner is 44 and doesn't drive.

[norris9]

You would assume the non-drivers are mostly in their 50's or above and many probably close to retiring. You would also assume they are the ones with the most seniority, so would get paid off if voluntary redundancies are offered.

My P&L partner is 44 and doesn't drive.

All of ours are 50/60.

[norris9]

I am part-time and not interested in going full-time.... but I'd happily increase the length of my working day in exchange of reducing my working week from 5 days to 4....

No idea if that would work as part of the USO plans.

[Londonsburning]

You would assume the non-drivers are mostly in their 50's or above and many probably close to retiring. You would also assume they are the ones with the most seniority, so would get paid off if voluntary redundancies are offered.

My P&L partner is 44 and doesn't drive.

All of ours are 50/60.

A large majority of non drivers at my DO are in their late 30s early 40s. Most started when they were 16/17 and are in the top 3rd of the seniority list. Almost all the 50/60 year olds have now been IHRd out the job. This new way of working is going to break my office if/when it comes in. Thanks CWU, stellar job defending our T&Cs

[Woody Guthrie]

As far as driving and contracts are concerned it's not as black and white as "it wasn't in my contract so I don't have to drive."

Contracts have both explicit terms and implied terms. You can accept a change in contract simply by submitting to it for a period of time without raising an objection.

If you do not tell your employer that you are unhappy with the change and start to work under the new terms and conditions, your employer may take this as your agreement to the change.

If you have driven for Royal Mail for years, especially if you accepted the driving allowance (remember that?) and then you suddenly decide you don't want to drive it would likely be seen as a breach of contract even if your original contract didn't specify driving.

What I would say to anyone is take some proper legal advice before going down this route, don't listen to some anonymous poster on the internet (including me) when it's your mortgage on the line not theirs.