LTB 075/25 - Update on USO Pilot Sites

[chickenwittle]

Is it just me or are two of the statements not compatible; only way to reduce non driver fatigue is having them prep d2ds on a Saturday, but in the next breath, looking at giving them some outdoor work to support the drivers ....???

Got to be something planned if there are no D2D to prep which is happening a lot recently

The whole thing is just cobbled together on the back of a fag packet.
The truth is pretty blunt, non-drivers don't particularly fit into this new model and the union is pretty much willing to throw them under a bus to get this version of USO reform over the line

The narrative is there, Martin keeps telling the same story, there are only 6,000 non drivers, 60% without a license however obviously the non-drivers in London will need special consideration....

They do fit.

Monday - Friday

I know you say you wouldnt want it and be careful what you wish for but ive not spoken to a non driver who wouldnt want Mon - Fri

Its seems to be about placating the drivers under the guise of fairness rather than simply getting the USO reform over the line.

RM would agree to non drivers doing Monday-Friday as they know its the logical shift pattern

Anything else is simply trying to fit round pegs in square holes

Exactly this , despite a few non drivers on here saying they don’t want mon to fri, that is the solution and everyone knows it.

[Mr Rush]

Over 8,000 non drivers.

? It clearly states 6,000 do you think differently

Martin had previously stated:

On Non Drivers there are 8400 non drivers out of 60 thousand Delivery Staff.

It's possible the numbers being supplied from branches have since been updated.

[jessicarabbit]

1000s of legacy contracts will then simply refuse to do the 6 monthly checks on their licence to get the Mon-Fri attendance and the whole business will collapse like a flan in cupboard.

[Acca Dacca]

Over 8,000 non drivers.

? It clearly states 6,000 do you think differently

It states;

''There is estimated to be circa 8,400 non-drivers in delivery out of over 83,000 delivery staff. 60% of that number do not have a driving license''

[Perseus]

Over 8,000 non drivers.

And probably another 40,000 staff who drive but don't contractually need to.
There isn't a single person in our office who doesn't drive that wouldn't take a permanent Mon-Fri regardless of the 2-3 days mail issue. Not one.
Same with just about every other member of staff, barring a few who aren't bothered.

[Broxi51]

The pilots are struggling during a quiet period, what chance Xmas?

[Acca Dacca]

1000s of legacy contracts will then simply refuse to do the 6 monthly checks on their licence to get the Mon-Fri attendance and the whole business will collapse like a flan in cupboard.

There would be the risk that should it ever transpire that thousands of people suddenly stopped doing something they were doing for years on a 'custom and practise' basis it could be argued by Royal Mail to be a form of industrial action.

Maybe not. But I dont think theyd make it easy.

[Phantom]

The pilots are struggling during a quiet period, what chance Xmas?

Exactly - There's simply too much workload.

[jessicarabbit]

I did job and finish for 20 years as my custom and practice. Things change. I no longer want to drive for RM as I don't feel safe and my contract doesn't require me to.

Fire and Rehire is the only way they can force 50,000 people to drive.

[Pidleypoo]

The union should just come out and say that they’re going to throw non-drivers under the bus.

If the only way to reduce fatigue for them is to be indoors on a Saturday ( which will never ever happen ) then why are they suggesting that they could be outdoors on Saturdays also ? Absolutely gormless .

[Acca Dacca]

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[Perseus]

The union should just come out and say that they’re going to throw non-drivers under the bus.

If the only way to reduce fatigue for them is to be indoors on a Saturday ( which will never ever happen ) then why are they suggesting that they could be outdoors on Saturdays also ? Absolutely gormless .

If someone is working indoors on a Saturday, or part of a 2 in a van out doing parcels then they would both come with a day off during the week, (eg Wednesday) thus breaking the Mon-Fri slog and help with fatigue. No?
Not a very efficient way of doing things, but surely better than a Mon-Fri walking role doing 2-3 days mail every day?

[Pidleypoo]

The union should just come out and say that they’re going to throw non-drivers under the bus.

If the only way to reduce fatigue for them is to be indoors on a Saturday ( which will never ever happen ) then why are they suggesting that they could be outdoors on Saturdays also ? Absolutely gormless .

If someone is working indoors on a Saturday, or part of a 2 in a van out doing parcels then they would both come with a day off during the week, (eg Wednesday) thus breaking the Mon-Fri slog and help with fatigue. No?
Not a very efficient way of doing things, but surely better than a Mon-Fri walking role doing 2-3 days mail every day?

Non drivers will be walking further and for longer even under the method you’ve suggested here.

The union have already identified that it’s a big problem in regards to fatigue for non drivers.

You’d still be walking miles with 2 of you doing parcels on a Saturday.

In all honesty, the only solution is for them to be indoors on a Saturday but that simply won’t happen and the union know that so they should just admit that.

They’re forcing non-drivers out of a job through exhaustion. It really is that simple.

[Perseus]

The union should just come out and say that they’re going to throw non-drivers under the bus.

If the only way to reduce fatigue for them is to be indoors on a Saturday ( which will never ever happen ) then why are they suggesting that they could be outdoors on Saturdays also ? Absolutely gormless .

If someone is working indoors on a Saturday, or part of a 2 in a van out doing parcels then they would both come with a day off during the week, (eg Wednesday) thus breaking the Mon-Fri slog and help with fatigue. No?
Not a very efficient way of doing things, but surely better than a Mon-Fri walking role doing 2-3 days mail every day?

Non drivers will be walking further and for longer even under the method you’ve suggested here.

The union have already identified that it’s a big problem in regards to fatigue for non drivers.

You’d still be walking miles with 2 of you doing parcels on a Saturday.

In all honesty, the only solution is for them to be indoors on a Saturday but that simply won’t happen and the union know that so they should just admit that.

They’re forcing non-drivers out of a job through exhaustion. It really is that simple.

There will be drastically less walking for anyone working on a Saturday, either indoor or outdoor, unless you get a duty that is full of houses with no vehicle access anywhere near them. For example, I'm usually 12-13 miles a day on a shared van. Same shared van with parcels only - 3-4 miles at a push.

[Pidleypoo]

The union should just come out and say that they’re going to throw non-drivers under the bus.

If the only way to reduce fatigue for them is to be indoors on a Saturday ( which will never ever happen ) then why are they suggesting that they could be outdoors on Saturdays also ? Absolutely gormless .

If someone is working indoors on a Saturday, or part of a 2 in a van out doing parcels then they would both come with a day off during the week, (eg Wednesday) thus breaking the Mon-Fri slog and help with fatigue. No?
Not a very efficient way of doing things, but surely better than a Mon-Fri walking role doing 2-3 days mail every day?

Non drivers will be walking further and for longer even under the method you’ve suggested here.

The union have already identified that it’s a big problem in regards to fatigue for non drivers.

You’d still be walking miles with 2 of you doing parcels on a Saturday.

In all honesty, the only solution is for them to be indoors on a Saturday but that simply won’t happen and the union know that so they should just admit that.

They’re forcing non-drivers out of a job through exhaustion. It really is that simple.

There will be drastically less walking for anyone working on a Saturday, either indoor or outdoor, unless you get a duty that is full of houses with no vehicle access anywhere near them. For example, I'm usually 12-13 miles a day on a shared van. Same shared van with parcels only - 3-4 miles at a push.

But drastically more during the week.