Non drivers

[Barnacle]

If the plan is to keep non drivers indoors on a Saturday, you just know that these rogue managers will be sending them out on delivery doing leftovers.

Of course they will. They can’t stand having anyone working indoors when the rest of us are out.

Like what happens when someone is on rehab, they get to see what goes on after we've gone out, not a lot!

You could slash manager hours in half and not notice.

[kazardaimenu]

If the plan is to keep non drivers indoors on a Saturday, you just know that these rogue managers will be sending them out on delivery doing leftovers.

Of course they will. They can’t stand having anyone working indoors when the rest of us are out.

Like what happens when someone is on rehab, they get to see what goes on after we've gone out, not a lot!

You could slash manager hours in half and not notice.

There’s really no need for them to all work 9 hour days unless they’re going to muck in and clear a few parcels during the down time.

[A2B]

A manager working a 9hr day

[kazardaimenu]

I wouldn’t say working but some are present for that long.

[Barnacle]

I wouldn’t say working but some are present for that long.

Present but not involved.

[chickenwittle]

How does a non-driver avoid fatigue if on the weekdays they’re doing 2-3 days mail and countless parcels and then on Saturdays they’re out walking even more ????

Sounds like the union are blind to how big of an impact that will be because we all know that when there are duties to cover on Saturdays the non-drivers will be sent out for miles with 1st class and parcels on a lwt or hct.

There’s simply no way a manager keeps them indoors when that inevitably happens.

You’ll be forcing them out of the door through sheer exhaustion.

There is a simple solution and that’s to drive , you want the right to not drive despite having a license and have the front to moan about fatigue.

[Perseus]

The fatigue thing isn't going to be simply apply to people who don't drive, it will apply to whoever does the walking only parts of duties - many of who WILL be able to drive. Just like now when we have 2 people who drive in a shared van and one ALWAYS does the driving and the other walks.

One thing I don't fully understand though, is that we currently have most duties taking 4.5 hours and they can't always complete on anything but a 'quiet' day. As long as there is no commit to deliver, there are only a certain amount of hours in the day, so will fatigue be a significant issue when delivering 3 days worth of mail in 4.5 hours delivery span? Surely it just fails or mopped up on overtime?

[claretandblue]

The fatigue thing isn't going to be simply apply to people who don't drive, it will apply to whoever does the walking only parts of duties - many of who WILL be able to drive. Just like now when we have 2 people who drive in a shared van and one ALWAYS does the driving and the other walks.

One thing I don't fully understand though, is that we currently have most duties taking 4.5 hours and they can't always complete on anything but a 'quiet' day. As long as there is no commit to deliver, there are only a certain amount of hours in the day, so will fatigue be a significant issue when delivering 3 days worth of mail in 4.5 hours delivery span? Surely it just fails or mopped up on overtime?

That's why they want longer spans.

[Pidleypoo]

How does a non-driver avoid fatigue if on the weekdays they’re doing 2-3 days mail and countless parcels and then on Saturdays they’re out walking even more ????

Sounds like the union are blind to how big of an impact that will be because we all know that when there are duties to cover on Saturdays the non-drivers will be sent out for miles with 1st class and parcels on a lwt or hct.

There’s simply no way a manager keeps them indoors when that inevitably happens.

You’ll be forcing them out of the door through sheer exhaustion.

There is a simple solution and that’s to drive , you want the right to not drive despite having a license and have the front to moan about fatigue.

Haven’t you have enough of getting leathered on this subject over the last few days?

You’re a bitter man, I’ve known a few like you in my time in this job.

[Barnacle]

The fatigue thing isn't going to be simply apply to people who don't drive, it will apply to whoever does the walking only parts of duties - many of who WILL be able to drive. Just like now when we have 2 people who drive in a shared van and one ALWAYS does the driving and the other walks.

One thing I don't fully understand though, is that we currently have most duties taking 4.5 hours and they can't always complete on anything but a 'quiet' day. As long as there is no commit to deliver, there are only a certain amount of hours in the day, so will fatigue be a significant issue when delivering 3 days worth of mail in 4.5 hours delivery span? Surely it just fails or mopped up on overtime?

They’re imagining a saving that doesn’t exist. If only managers had reported fails accurately, then RM HQ might not have designed the Pilot using flawed data.

[Perseus]

The fatigue thing isn't going to be simply apply to people who don't drive, it will apply to whoever does the walking only parts of duties - many of who WILL be able to drive. Just like now when we have 2 people who drive in a shared van and one ALWAYS does the driving and the other walks.

One thing I don't fully understand though, is that we currently have most duties taking 4.5 hours and they can't always complete on anything but a 'quiet' day. As long as there is no commit to deliver, there are only a certain amount of hours in the day, so will fatigue be a significant issue when delivering 3 days worth of mail in 4.5 hours delivery span? Surely it just fails or mopped up on overtime?

That's why they want longer spans.

Are all duties between 4.5 and 5 hours UK wide? Something tells me that isn't the case and it makes no sense to 'add on an hour across the board' when some might only be 3.5 currently. Kind of like the recent changes to the start and finish times - much easier to swallow a 1hr increase in start times when you started at 6am vs 8am which happened quite a lot.

[chickenwittle]

How does a non-driver avoid fatigue if on the weekdays they’re doing 2-3 days mail and countless parcels and then on Saturdays they’re out walking even more ????

Sounds like the union are blind to how big of an impact that will be because we all know that when there are duties to cover on Saturdays the non-drivers will be sent out for miles with 1st class and parcels on a lwt or hct.

There’s simply no way a manager keeps them indoors when that inevitably happens.

You’ll be forcing them out of the door through sheer exhaustion.

There is a simple solution and that’s to drive , you want the right to not drive despite having a license and have the front to moan about fatigue.

Haven’t you have enough of getting leathered on this subject over the last few days?

You’re a bitter man, I’ve known a few like you in my time in this job.

You know im right, for a good few thousand license holders the fatigue issues you talk about non drivers suffering can be easily resolved but for some strange reason them driving for Royal Mail is non negotiable.

[Londonsburning]

Why are you so bitter about it though? They have a right to not be a driver if they so choose. It's within the very employment contract they signed at the time of being employed.

[chickenwittle]

Why are you so bitter about it though? They have a right to not be a driver if they so choose. It's within the very employment contract they signed at the time of being employed.

I get that but what’s the big deal about driving for Royal Mail when you’re probably getting straight in your car after work and driving home , especially with all the moaning around non driver fatigue, it’s really easily fixed , no ?

[A2B]

Why are you so bitter about it though? They have a right to not be a driver if they so choose. It's within the very employment contract they signed at the time of being employed.

I get that but what’s the big deal about driving for Royal Mail when you’re probably getting straight in your car after work and driving home , especially with all the moaning around non driver fatigue, it’s really easily fixed , no ?

The more you drive the greater chance of being involved in an accident add in the stress of driving in a congested area and is it any wonder that a person not employed to drive for RM would be reluctant to do it?

Add in the fact you don't get paid any extra for putting your licence on the line for no extra pay and I actually wonder why anyone would drive for RM who isn't employed to do so