Non drivers

[Londonsburning]

Yes chicken

The business chose to change, not the workers

What else do you think the business should be able to change and force you to do that isn’t in your contract?

I have no license FWIW and never have done

I’ve said this before and i will say it again.

Unless every single duty is to become a single van duty then non-drivers are not redundant.

Unless they’re operating a vehicle at the same time which I’m sure is illegal.

Sad state of affairs on here with people wanting people to lose their jobs for reasons out of their control.

Btw , it’s now takes a lot of money and a long time to even get driving lessons and pass a test these days.

Are Royal Mail going to pay for it and seeing as though we’re now so poorly paid will the union actually address both things.

Who’s talking about people loosing their jobs ? If you don’t have a license that’s fine , if you have license and choose not to drive , that’s unacceptable.

So if I have a skill outside of the contract I was employed on that I payed for and was for my own benefit that an employer should automatically have a right to that skill ?

What if I’ve got a maths degree , should I help them plan duties too? Or a qualified chef ? Work in the canteen

Are any of those a prerequisite to join the job now ?

Driving for RM wasn't a prerequisite to join the job when many of these non drivers with licences joined though. So what exactly is your point?

[Barnacle]

Not sure why you are angry with me but to clear up the conspiracy, RM have not been dishing out this data or contacting the DVLA. As exposed on previous posts, I’m a numbers nerd.

Not angry, if you're a number nerd as you say, you can't just state "3400 of that number can drive - they choose not to" with no evidence at all!
all that does is give those non driver haters on here ammunition to beat us with

Martin Walsh stated the overall number in a recent talk, I turned it into a percentage, and it is a percentage that is reflected in my large office. So if you extrapolate to all units it’s a believable number.

Managers do note who are the non drivers who can’t drive, but they only look at it on their division or office. They aren’t interested in the number as a whole.

[claretandblue]

Not sure why you are angry with me but to clear up the conspiracy, RM have not been dishing out this data or contacting the DVLA. As exposed on previous posts, I’m a numbers nerd.

Not angry, if you're a number nerd as you say, you can't just state "3400 of that number can drive - they choose not to" with no evidence at all!
all that does is give those non driver haters on here ammunition to beat us with

Martin Walsh announced the number on last night's YouTube, I think it was 8k non drivers and 60% of them have no license.

[Acca Dacca]

Yes chicken

The business chose to change, not the workers

What else do you think the business should be able to change and force you to do that isn’t in your contract?

I have no license FWIW and never have done

I’ve said this before and i will say it again.

Unless every single duty is to become a single van duty then non-drivers are not redundant.

Unless they’re operating a vehicle at the same time which I’m sure is illegal.

Sad state of affairs on here with people wanting people to lose their jobs for reasons out of their control.

Btw , it’s now takes a lot of money and a long time to even get driving lessons and pass a test these days.

Are Royal Mail going to pay for it and seeing as though we’re now so poorly paid will the union actually address both things.

Who’s talking about people loosing their jobs ? If you don’t have a license that’s fine , if you have license and choose not to drive , that’s unacceptable.

So if I have a skill outside of the contract I was employed on that I payed for and was for my own benefit that an employer should automatically have a right to that skill ?

What if I’ve got a maths degree , should I help them plan duties too? Or a qualified chef ? Work in the canteen

Are any of those a prerequisite to join the job now ?

Sunday working is

Do you work Sundays?

And before you say the business doesn’t need everyone to work every Sunday - they require every new entrant to have Sunday working on their contract even if they don’t need every new entrant to work every Sunday - just like you say is the case with driving

There is plenty of work for non drivers, the business doesn’t need everyone to drive - if it wasn’t for people like you needing to be placated by both the union and the business there would be no issue at all and they would all do Monday to Friday. The business doesn’t NEED to find alternative rotas which include Saturdays it’s only doing it because people kick up a stink that they would need to work some Saturdays as a driver.

[chickenwittle]

Yes chicken

The business chose to change, not the workers

What else do you think the business should be able to change and force you to do that isn’t in your contract?

I have no license FWIW and never have done

I’ve said this before and i will say it again.

Unless every single duty is to become a single van duty then non-drivers are not redundant.

Unless they’re operating a vehicle at the same time which I’m sure is illegal.

Sad state of affairs on here with people wanting people to lose their jobs for reasons out of their control.

Btw , it’s now takes a lot of money and a long time to even get driving lessons and pass a test these days.

Are Royal Mail going to pay for it and seeing as though we’re now so poorly paid will the union actually address both things.

Who’s talking about people loosing their jobs ? If you don’t have a license that’s fine , if you have license and choose not to drive , that’s unacceptable.

So if I have a skill outside of the contract I was employed on that I payed for and was for my own benefit that an employer should automatically have a right to that skill ?

What if I’ve got a maths degree , should I help them plan duties too? Or a qualified chef ? Work in the canteen

Are any of those a prerequisite to join the job now ?

Sunday working is

Do you work Sundays?

And before you say the business doesn’t need everyone to work every Sunday - they require every new entrant to have Sunday working on their contract even if they don’t need every new entrant to work every Sunday - just like you say is the case with driving

There is plenty of work for non drivers, the business doesn’t need everyone to drive - if it wasn’t for people like you needing to be placated by both the union and the business there would be no issue at all and they would all do Monday to Friday. The business doesn’t NEED to find alternative rotas which include Saturdays it’s only doing it because people kick up a stink that they would need to work some Saturdays as a driver.

So you think non drivers working mon - fri because they refuse to drive despite having a license is fair on everyone else ?

[Londonsburning]

Typical deflection. Applications for a job in Parliament or RM CEO are probably on LinkedIn

[chickenwittle]

Typical deflection. Applications for a job in Parliament or RM CEO are probably on LinkedIn

It’s a simple question, what part are you struggling with ?

[Londonsburning]

Typical deflection. Applications for a job in Parliament or RM CEO are probably on LinkedIn

It’s a simple question, what part are you struggling with ?

So you think that people who have a different contract from you with different original terms should be forced to do what you signed up for? Be careful what you wish for.

[Pidleypoo]

Yes chicken

The business chose to change, not the workers

What else do you think the business should be able to change and force you to do that isn’t in your contract?

I have no license FWIW and never have done

I’ve said this before and i will say it again.

Unless every single duty is to become a single van duty then non-drivers are not redundant.

Unless they’re operating a vehicle at the same time which I’m sure is illegal.

Sad state of affairs on here with people wanting people to lose their jobs for reasons out of their control.

Btw , it’s now takes a lot of money and a long time to even get driving lessons and pass a test these days.

Are Royal Mail going to pay for it and seeing as though we’re now so poorly paid will the union actually address both things.

Who’s talking about people loosing their jobs ? If you don’t have a license that’s fine , if you have license and choose not to drive , that’s unacceptable.

So if I have a skill outside of the contract I was employed on that I payed for and was for my own benefit that an employer should automatically have a right to that skill ?

What if I’ve got a maths degree , should I help them plan duties too? Or a qualified chef ? Work in the canteen

Are any of those a prerequisite to join the job now ?

Was a driving licence a prerequisite to the job then ?

[chickenwittle]

Typical deflection. Applications for a job in Parliament or RM CEO are probably on LinkedIn

It’s a simple question, what part are you struggling with ?

So you think that people who have a different contract from you with different original terms should be forced to do what you signed up for? Be careful what you wish for.

I certainly don’t feel the answer to it is giving them a mon / fri duty as previous poster said .

[chickenwittle]

Yes chicken

The business chose to change, not the workers

What else do you think the business should be able to change and force you to do that isn’t in your contract?

I have no license FWIW and never have done

I’ve said this before and i will say it again.

Unless every single duty is to become a single van duty then non-drivers are not redundant.

Unless they’re operating a vehicle at the same time which I’m sure is illegal.

Sad state of affairs on here with people wanting people to lose their jobs for reasons out of their control.

Btw , it’s now takes a lot of money and a long time to even get driving lessons and pass a test these days.

Are Royal Mail going to pay for it and seeing as though we’re now so poorly paid will the union actually address both things.

Who’s talking about people loosing their jobs ? If you don’t have a license that’s fine , if you have license and choose not to drive , that’s unacceptable.

So if I have a skill outside of the contract I was employed on that I payed for and was for my own benefit that an employer should automatically have a right to that skill ?

What if I’ve got a maths degree , should I help them plan duties too? Or a qualified chef ? Work in the canteen

Are any of those a prerequisite to join the job now ?

Was a driving licence a prerequisite to the job then ?

I never said it was , but driving is now relevant to the job unlike the other things that poster quoted.

[Acca Dacca]

Typical deflection. Applications for a job in Parliament or RM CEO are probably on LinkedIn

It’s a simple question, what part are you struggling with ?

And there we have it

So you think that people who have a different contract from you with different original terms should be forced to do what you signed up for? Be careful what you wish for.

I certainly don’t feel the answer to it is giving them a mon / fri duty as previous poster said .

And there we have it

[Acca Dacca]

Those without driving in their contracts will have been employed before park and loop and van sharing was allowed even an idea in a penpushers head

It wasn’t a prerequisite when we took the job no matter if it is now for new entrants and no matter if you think everyone needs to drive to keep a job ( they don’t )

It smacks of jealousy mate

[Woody Guthrie]

Typical deflection. Applications for a job in Parliament or RM CEO are probably on LinkedIn

It’s a simple question, what part are you struggling with ?

So you think that people who have a different contract from you with different original terms should be forced to do what you signed up for? Be careful what you wish for.

I certainly don’t feel the answer to it is giving them a mon / fri duty as previous poster said .

Mon-fri should not be something a non-driver even thinks about.
Monday will be three days mail .
Tuesday will also be three days mail.
Then the week starts getting busy.
By Friday you would be destroyed.
Every week until the end of time.
I wouldn't wish that particular attendance pattern on my worst enemy.

[chickenwittle]

Those without driving in their contracts will have been employed before park and loop and van sharing was allowed even an idea in a penpushers head

It wasn’t a prerequisite when we took the job no matter if it is now for new entrants and no matter if you think everyone needs to drive to keep a job ( they don’t )

It smacks of jealousy mate

Call it what you like but a mon to fri duty is a pipe dream for the vast majority of posties , except non drivers apparently.