RMCtv : Piloting our Universal Service Reform proposal

[Perseus]

Pretty damning that no posties spoke on video.

[qwerty2]

The manager saying ''my CWU rep'' says something.

That’s what I thought
CWU under the thumb

[Evenflow10]

“Everybody’s in it together” says Jason, I absolutely hate hearing that crap line. And you know who else says that crap, Jason? My idiotic manager. Jason will be a trainee manager soon can see that for sure.

[TopperGas]

At this point there’s no difference between the manager and rep?
They all pushing this,only ones who suffer is delivery staff.

Sad times

"the postie is delivering a lot more letters and making a lot more calls" Jason forgot to add "all for the same rate of pay".

[hewittinspain]

Why didn't they interview a couple of posties instead of the CWU rep who will be the manager's puppet?!
Let's Here from the people who are actually going out delivering double and triple mail everyday

[Mickeybrowneyes]

At this point there’s no difference between the manager and rep?
They all pushing this,only ones who suffer is delivery staff.

Sad times

The CWU has no educational program that gives it's representatives the knowledge of who they are and why they exist. The CWU has favoured wholesale partnership over independent industrial and political trade unionism. The way the CWU carries on you'd think workers had trade Union representatives as a result of some kind act by the bosses. We got representatives through hard fought battles and only got representation because we won it. We have never been given anything . The CWU just pisses all over our proud history.

I have to disagree.
Most unions don't have the same level of influence on change that the CWU does in the workplace.
It might be a fine line sometimes but is it not better they have a heavy hand in the direction of change.
USO reform is inevitable which ever way you look at it, better the reps are active in offices making sure the best outcomes for members.
Most other industries dont have the potential to have representatives on every shop floor with direct influence on operations.
Some industries you may have an issue and could take two days for a rep to come to a workplace to deal with it.

[tramssirhc]

At this point there’s no difference between the manager and rep?
They all pushing this,only ones who suffer is delivery staff.

Sad times

The CWU has no educational program that gives it's representatives the knowledge of who they are and why they exist. The CWU has favoured wholesale partnership over independent industrial and political trade unionism. The way the CWU carries on you'd think workers had trade Union representatives as a result of some kind act by the bosses. We got representatives through hard fought battles and only got representation because we won it. We have never been given anything . The CWU just pisses all over our proud history.

You don’t half talk a load of crap.

in your opinion. What I've described is absolutely true. The CWU training is devoted to partnership and collaboration. There is no attempt to educate representatives to be industrially and politically independent. Many representatives never get trained and thats why the rank and file movement is not functioning.

[tramssirhc]

At this point there’s no difference between the manager and rep?
They all pushing this,only ones who suffer is delivery staff.

Sad times

The CWU has no educational program that gives it's representatives the knowledge of who they are and why they exist. The CWU has favoured wholesale partnership over independent industrial and political trade unionism. The way the CWU carries on you'd think workers had trade Union representatives as a result of some kind act by the bosses. We got representatives through hard fought battles and only got representation because we won it. We have never been given anything . The CWU just pisses all over our proud history.

I have to disagree.
Most unions don't have the same level of influence on change that the CWU does in the workplace.
It might be a fine line sometimes but is it not better they have a heavy hand in the direction of change.
USO reform is inevitable which ever way you look at it, better the reps are active in offices making sure the best outcomes for members.
Most other industries dont have the potential to have representatives on every shop floor with direct influence on operations.
Some industries you may have an issue and could take two days for a rep to come to a workplace to deal with it.

You only have to read the comments on this forum to understand that the influence on change is not bottom up but simply top down. That's because the CWU has an educational program dedicated to producing representatives that only understand partnership and collaboration. This has resulted in a complete breakdown in rank and file activism. That suits the leadership.

The inevitability of change does not mean that workers bear the brunt of that change. The three way attack on our jobs is being carried out under the cover of the regulator saying that there is not enough profit in the way that workers do the job. This is not change - it is an attack on workers who are to be thrown on the scrapheap so the bosses can make more profit.

Workers in every industry have the opportunity to influence change. Other industries have properly functioning unions, led by the rank and file, that meet regularly and hold the bureaucrats to account. The CWU is not one of them.

[tramssirhc]

At this point there’s no difference between the manager and rep?
They all pushing this,only ones who suffer is delivery staff.

Sad times

The CWU has no educational program that gives it's representatives the knowledge of who they are and why they exist. The CWU has favoured wholesale partnership over independent industrial and political trade unionism. The way the CWU carries on you'd think workers had trade Union representatives as a result of some kind act by the bosses. We got representatives through hard fought battles and only got representation because we won it. We have never been given anything . The CWU just pisses all over our proud history.

You don’t half talk a load of crap.

As an adherent to the CWU your response is damning of the way the 'union' has failed.

[borders]

I agree entirely with tramssirhc , he is reading the room as i see it . This is a general attack on all workers not just Posties . I make no apology for copying and pasting this article i have just read , as it goes some way into explaining where we all are at this moment .....

"neoliberalism ... This ideology, which has dominated the UK since 1979, demands austerity, the privatisation and shrinkage of public services, curtailment of protest and trade unions, deregulation and tax reductions for the rich. Justified as a means of creating an enterprise society, it has instead delivered a new age of rent, as powerful people monopolise crucial assets, from water to housing to social media. It leaves a government with few options but to scapegoat workers, migrants and other vulnerable groups for the problems it fails to address".

The usual suspects on here will disagree , so i expect the usual pile on !! but look how our Union has finally been captured , as tramssirhc suggests but realise it is only a small part of the bigger picture.

[scotchy1962]

I agree entirely with tramssirhc , he is reading the room as i see it . This is a general attack on all workers not just Posties . I make no apology for copying and pasting this article i have just read , as it goes some way into explaining where we all are at this moment .....

"neoliberalism ... This ideology, which has dominated the UK since 1979, demands austerity, the privatisation and shrinkage of public services, curtailment of protest and trade unions, deregulation and tax reductions for the rich. Justified as a means of creating an enterprise society, it has instead delivered a new age of rent, as powerful people monopolise crucial assets, from water to housing to social media. It leaves a government with few options but to scapegoat workers, migrants and other vulnerable groups for the problems it fails to address".

The usual suspects on here will disagree , so i expect the usual pile on !! but look how our Union has finally been captured , as tramssirhc suggests but realise it is only a small part of the bigger picture.

You are sort of correct in that when Thatcher came to power the shift from trade union power to big business and profit power came into effect.
But Thatcher didn't wipe out union power and she did recognise that business still had to become accountable for it's actions, but 45 yrs later and the government has become more and more liberal with business and that's on both sides of the political spectrum, if anything labour is more right wing than the tories at times.
Our problem is that the private sector seem to have the government in their pockets and are allowed to run roughshod over the workforce at leisure, which in turn means the unions have very little power.
Plus the only real solution is for the government to take these big businesses to task and none so far have the bottle too.
The future looks bleak at the moment but eventually it will turn but probably not in my time.

[postslippete]

True and there is no greater example than the gig economy which has allowed employers to drive down wages and weaken workers terms and cons in pursuit of profit. New legislation has not prevented fire and rehire (as in the case of P&O) and without stronger deterrents by the government these employers will find ways to undercut worker protections.

[tramssirhc]

Three replies that prove when we join together and fightback the collaborators and CWU adherents fade away into the background. The CWU is on the back foot and knows it. Look at the communications put out this week. All on the attack, lashing out at workers for daring to say the CWU is wrong. Witness the deranged post by Ralph Ferrett, the incoherent 'podcast' by Martin Walsh and the vitriolic 'live' with Chris Webb and Tony Boulch. 'Get a life' indeed.

[scotchy1962]

Three replies that prove when we join together and fightback the collaborators and CWU adherents fade away into the background. The CWU is on the back foot and knows it. Look at the communications put out this week. All on the attack, lashing out at workers for daring to say the CWU is wrong. Witness the deranged post by Ralph Ferrett, the incoherent 'podcast' by Martin Walsh and the vitriolic 'live' with Chris Webb and Tony Boulch. 'Get a life' indeed.

Feck me man, what are you on!
Three simple posts outlining the problems historically in the union movement, and how the powers that be have over the years eroded what the unions once had.
I personally thought the unions had too much power when i started work in 1979, basically we could do what we liked and would walk out at the drop of a hat, that had too change and Thatcher sorted it out.
But contrary to what people believe she didn't erode all our power that came much later.
It's like everything it swings one way and then the other, at the moment we are down the bottom!
But you lot of closet commies haven't a clue, your beliefs that what you preach is some sort of workers gospel and that you lot are the "Messiah" of unionism is the sort of crap that gets people into trouble, you have nothing but words and that will get us, the "Workers" nothing but the sack.
Go away and come back when you have some substance in your argument.

[Sean06]

Three replies that prove when we join together and fightback the collaborators and CWU adherents fade away into the background. The CWU is on the back foot and knows it. Look at the communications put out this week. All on the attack, lashing out at workers for daring to say the CWU is wrong. Witness the deranged post by Ralph Ferrett, the incoherent 'podcast' by Martin Walsh and the vitriolic 'live' with Chris Webb and Tony Boulch. 'Get a life' indeed.

Give up whatever your smoking.