Tonight at 5pm we are LIVE with a Royal Mail Delivery Members special with national officer Tony Bouch.

[A2B]

hopefully they'd offer redundancy pay to any part timer that didn't want to go full time.

More likely they'll be declared to be supernumerary and moved to another office

I'm beginning to think you are a chatbot, same comments over and over

[SpacePhoenix]

I do not want a 9 hour day.

That’s absolutely stupid.

If the aim was to reduce fatigue then that idea is insane.

My thoughts exactly.

So are RM planning the workload around a 9 day fortnight and what happens when an office votes and rejects that duty structure?

Locally when a load of people done that, they all got declared to be supernumerary

[A2B]

I do not want a 9 hour day.

That’s absolutely stupid.

If the aim was to reduce fatigue then that idea is insane.

My thoughts exactly.

So are RM planning the workload around a 9 day fortnight and what happens when an office votes and rejects that duty structure?

Locally when a load of people done that, they all got declared to be supernumerary

Point proved i think

[Mr Rush]

I was thinking maybe you're aiming to get part timers to work the same hours per day as full timers, but part timers would work one day less, but the maths doesn't work with that.

We had a few guys on contracts like that pre-2010. They were PT but did four FT-ish days (not sure if that's what's termed Full Time Equivalent). They were all floaters, though. I don't think anyone held a duty with that pattern.

[A2B]

I was thinking maybe you're aiming to get part timers to work the same hours per day as full timers, but part timers would work one day less, but the maths doesn't work with that.

We had a few guys on contracts like that pre-2010. They were PT but did four FT-ish days (not sure if that's what's termed Full Time Equivalent). They were all floaters, though. I don't think anyone held a duty with that pattern.

Most of out PT staff are on a rota to work Sundays so are often off 2 or more days during the week which again means they can't hold a duty

[darkgable]

Says electric trolleys could help with fatigue ! Electric trolleys cant climb stairs for 4-5 hours . The CWU really havent got a clue and what happens if these guinea pigs . They say there going to monitor come back with elevated heart rates and blood pressure. Will they go to plan B . I think not ! i overheard our local rep saying . This is the only plan in town and he thinks it makes sense .arrrghhh

[Pidleypoo]

I do not want a 9 hour day.

That’s absolutely stupid.

If the aim was to reduce fatigue then that idea is insane.

My thoughts exactly.

So are RM planning the workload around a 9 day fortnight and what happens when an office votes and rejects that duty structure?

That’s if we really get the choice.

I’m not sure we will and whatever comes out of these trails is what will be imposed imo.

I looked at the 7 duty structures and the only viable one was the 9 day fortnight.

If we do get the choice I’d be trying to convince people to go for that.

If it’s a 9 hour 15 minute day then I’m looking for another job because I know I can’t do that every week.

[JKSmudge]

Longer days esp in Summer. will result in increased fatigue and will likely see an increase in sickness due to heat exhaustion/sunstroke.

I will walk slower and spend an extra few minutes each loop taking on water. f**k 'em

[TopperGas]

Can anybody understand how service levels are improving in the trial offices when post is only now going out an alternative days rather than every day?

[Mickeybrowneyes]

I do not want a 9 hour day. That’s absolutely stupid.

It sounds awful to me. A 9 hour day would drag. How much extra walking would that be - I'd assume another 40 to 60 minutes?

1. Your feet will feel like they have been pulverised into the concrete.

2. Your legs will feel like lead.

3. You will need 10 hours sleep every night to recover.

4. The day will drag for......9 hours.

5. You will probably be going home in rush hour traffic.

The benefits of the extra days off far outweigh the longer deliveries in my opinion.
You get used to the longer delivery spans and look forward to the long weekends.
Your life is no longer dictated to by your work life.
On a four day week now it is possible to go away every third weekend for four days if you wish because of the length of the break.
Would you do a quarter of walk at work every day now to get an extra fifty days off a year.
That's the way you got to look at it.
Offices that have four day weeks are never quick to give them up.
Increases earning opportunities too.
You can work two rest days in a week instead of one.
For those that want that.
Fatigue isn't a big a problem as you think because of the extra 50 rest days.
If anything it improves.
It the way forward.

[GaryLawler]

And it ruins the other 2 weekends working till 4pm

[scotchy1962]

I do not want a 9 hour day. That’s absolutely stupid.

It sounds awful to me. A 9 hour day would drag. How much extra walking would that be - I'd assume another 40 to 60 minutes?

1. Your feet will feel like they have been pulverised into the concrete.

2. Your legs will feel like lead.

3. You will need 10 hours sleep every night to recover.

4. The day will drag for......9 hours.

5. You will probably be going home in rush hour traffic.

The benefits of the extra days off far outweigh the longer deliveries in my opinion.
You get used to the longer delivery spans and look forward to the long weekends.
Your life is no longer dictated to by your work life.
On a four day week now it is possible to go away every third weekend for four days if you wish because of the length of the break.
Would you do a quarter of walk at work every day now to get an extra fifty days off a year.
That's the way you got to look at it.
Offices that have four day weeks are never quick to give them up.
Increases earning opportunities too.
You can work two rest days in a week instead of one.
For those that want that.
Fatigue isn't a big a problem as you think because of the extra 50 rest days.
If anything it improves.
It the way forward.

I used to work in a larger office that worked the 9 day fortnight and although at the time i enjoyed it and appreciated the extra time off, i am 10 yrs older now and a 9 hr day kills me now so i wouldn't feel any value in it.
But i guess thats what it is, aimed at the younger workers and if i was younger i would go for it.

[nuisance]

The benefits of the extra days off far outweigh the longer deliveries in my opinion.
You get used to the longer delivery spans and look forward to the long weekends.
Your life is no longer dictated to by your work life.
On a four day week now it is possible to go away every third weekend for four days if you wish because of the length of the break.
Would you do a quarter of walk at work every day now to get an extra fifty days off a year.
That's the way you got to look at it.
Offices that have four day weeks are never quick to give them up.
Increases earning opportunities too.
You can work two rest days in a week instead of one.
For those that want that.
Fatigue isn't a big a problem as you think because of the extra 50 rest days.
If anything it improves.
It the way forward.

I know I won't be able to do these blocks of mammoth days. I could probably do one or two heavy and long days then day off, but not 4 straight days. I actually hate this pattern of really long shifts and more blocks of days off that a lot of companies seem to be going for, they aren't what I want at all. I would ideally to do a six day week with fairly short hours but try finding that job.

[norris9]

I do not want a 9 hour day. That’s absolutely stupid.

It sounds awful to me. A 9 hour day would drag. How much extra walking would that be - I'd assume another 40 to 60 minutes?

1. Your feet will feel like they have been pulverised into the concrete.

2. Your legs will feel like lead.

3. You will need 10 hours sleep every night to recover.

4. The day will drag for......9 hours.

5. You will probably be going home in rush hour traffic.

The benefits of the extra days off far outweigh the longer deliveries in my opinion.
You get used to the longer delivery spans and look forward to the long weekends.
Your life is no longer dictated to by your work life.
On a four day week now it is possible to go away every third weekend for four days if you wish because of the length of the break.
Would you do a quarter of walk at work every day now to get an extra fifty days off a year.
That's the way you got to look at it.
Offices that have four day weeks are never quick to give them up.
Increases earning opportunities too.
You can work two rest days in a week instead of one.
For those that want that.
Fatigue isn't a big a problem as you think because of the extra 50 rest days.
If anything it improves.
It the way forward.

It all depends on how people personally view it....some will see it as extra days off, some will see it as tiring days that drag on.

[thefox]

The 2 pilot offices in Scotland have chosen 2 saturdays in 5 so 9 hour days can be avoided if the office does want it.