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CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

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roadrunner bill
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

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Jaggs wrote:
25 Mar 2025, 19:38
claretandblue wrote:
25 Mar 2025, 15:59
All this talk of there is no USO reform bar the trial offices, all the offices in my area are already planning USO reform :left:
Our lead COM has already told us that our office is going to the reformed USO in August regardless of what happens in the trials
Nothing will get delivered at all. There be loads leaving.. on the sick or In hospital...

There be no posties left.. it just all build up In the office , sat there going no where..

Manager will be very busy thou....
chickenwittle
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

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Some right drama queens on here and usually the same old posters. :crazy:
Perseus
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

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The trials/pilots began in our office and many others around 5 years ago....
Still carrying on to this day.
tramssirhc
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

Post by tramssirhc »

Perseus wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 16:18
The trials/pilots began in our office and many others around 5 years ago....
Still carrying on to this day.
Spot on. This all started in 2020 when the CWU forced postal workers out into the pandemic because dangerous work was Terry Pullinger's preference over furlough. Whilst he sat in his home doing nothing. The pandemic paved the way for what's happening today. Profits over lives, over jobs.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
SpacePhoenix
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

Post by SpacePhoenix »

tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 17:32
Perseus wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 16:18
The trials/pilots began in our office and many others around 5 years ago....
Still carrying on to this day.
Spot on. This all started in 2020 when the CWU forced postal workers out into the pandemic because dangerous work was Terry Pullinger's preference over furlough. Whilst he sat in his home doing nothing. The pandemic paved the way for what's happening today. Profits over lives, over jobs.
RM's hands were probably tied by the USO and the Postal Services Act. Also RM would have probably lost lots of contracts to rivals, would you rather have lost your job?
yubin282
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

Post by yubin282 »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 17:52
tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 17:32
Perseus wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 16:18
The trials/pilots began in our office and many others around 5 years ago....
Still carrying on to this day.
Spot on. This all started in 2020 when the CWU forced postal workers out into the pandemic because dangerous work was Terry Pullinger's preference over furlough. Whilst he sat in his home doing nothing. The pandemic paved the way for what's happening today. Profits over lives, over jobs.
RM's hands were probably tied by the USO and the Postal Services Act. Also RM would have probably lost lots of contracts to rivals, would you rather have lost your job?
I'd rather stay at home and be furloughed, stuff the customers and the relentless greed.
Londonsburning
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

Post by Londonsburning »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 17:52
tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 17:32
Perseus wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 16:18
The trials/pilots began in our office and many others around 5 years ago....
Still carrying on to this day.
Spot on. This all started in 2020 when the CWU forced postal workers out into the pandemic because dangerous work was Terry Pullinger's preference over furlough. Whilst he sat in his home doing nothing. The pandemic paved the way for what's happening today. Profits over lives, over jobs.
RM's hands were probably tied by the USO and the Postal Services Act. Also RM would have probably lost lots of contracts to rivals, would you rather have lost your job?
Probably would've been paid furlough instead of losing jobs. Don't forget the old chestnut of 'fourth emergency service' being banded around for delivery staff... :crazy:
Mr Rush
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

Post by Mr Rush »

Perseus wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 16:18
The trials/pilots began in our office and many others around 5 years ago....
Still carrying on to this day.
I've speculated as to whether the emergency situation allowed the company cover to run an experiment on alternate day delivery and whether the years of data that would have been logged under relaxed regulatory conditions brought them to this proposed model, which is merely a formalisation (de facto becomes de jure).

What I would ask is: we've been doing this for five years so aren't the savings already being made? It can hardly be from dodging any more fines from Ofcom - the company has already made clear a few million here and there means nothing.
The machine stops.
Newandscared
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

Post by Newandscared »

Can't negotiate pay and blame the buyout, but think they need an incentive scheme.Pretty much beyond a joke
TopperGas
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

Post by TopperGas »

Mr Rush wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 19:33
Perseus wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 16:18
The trials/pilots began in our office and many others around 5 years ago....
Still carrying on to this day.
I've speculated as to whether the emergency situation allowed the company cover to run an experiment on alternate day delivery and whether the years of data that would have been logged under relaxed regulatory conditions brought them to this proposed model, which is merely a formalisation (de facto becomes de jure).

What I would ask is: we've been doing this for five years so aren't the savings already being made? It can hardly be from dodging any more fines from Ofcom - the company has already made clear a few million here and there means nothing.
The "new" model is not being run nationwide, I don't believe any offices in my area are only delivering post on alternative days, even if some duties are not being delivered daily.
TopperGas
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

Post by TopperGas »

Regardless of the takeover I assume both parties agree on what the minimum pay rise they could offer, that being the case why don't they just pay it on a temporary measure until the takeover is complete or DK withdraws his offer?
Sean06
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

Post by Sean06 »

tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 17:32
Perseus wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 16:18
The trials/pilots began in our office and many others around 5 years ago....
Still carrying on to this day.
Spot on. This all started in 2020 when the CWU forced postal workers out into the pandemic because dangerous work was Terry Pullinger's preference over furlough. Whilst he sat in his home doing nothing. The pandemic paved the way for what's happening today. Profits over lives, over jobs.
Please explain how the cwu forced people to work.
tramssirhc
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

Post by tramssirhc »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 17:52
tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 17:32
Perseus wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 16:18
The trials/pilots began in our office and many others around 5 years ago....
Still carrying on to this day.
Spot on. This all started in 2020 when the CWU forced postal workers out into the pandemic because dangerous work was Terry Pullinger's preference over furlough. Whilst he sat in his home doing nothing. The pandemic paved the way for what's happening today. Profits over lives, over jobs.
RM's hands were probably tied by the USO and the Postal Services Act. Also RM would have probably lost lots of contracts to rivals, would you rather have lost your job?
And there we have it. Still the adherents of the CWU believe that deadly work was preferable to furlough.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
tramssirhc
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

Post by tramssirhc »

Sean06 wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 19:48
tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 17:32
Perseus wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 16:18
The trials/pilots began in our office and many others around 5 years ago....
Still carrying on to this day.
Spot on. This all started in 2020 when the CWU forced postal workers out into the pandemic because dangerous work was Terry Pullinger's preference over furlough. Whilst he sat in his home doing nothing. The pandemic paved the way for what's happening today. Profits over lives, over jobs.
Please explain how the cwu forced people to work.
The CWU agreed to the chaos that swept through workplaces.which has continued to this day. Pullinger threw postal workers under the bus and had the gall to justify it as preferable to furlough.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
tramssirhc
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Re: CWU Live - Martin Walsh and pay negotiation delay

Post by tramssirhc »

Londonsburning wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 18:38
SpacePhoenix wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 17:52
tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 17:32
Perseus wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 16:18
The trials/pilots began in our office and many others around 5 years ago....
Still carrying on to this day.
Spot on. This all started in 2020 when the CWU forced postal workers out into the pandemic because dangerous work was Terry Pullinger's preference over furlough. Whilst he sat in his home doing nothing. The pandemic paved the way for what's happening today. Profits over lives, over jobs.
RM's hands were probably tied by the USO and the Postal Services Act. Also RM would have probably lost lots of contracts to rivals, would you rather have lost your job?
Probably would've been paid furlough instead of losing jobs. Don't forget the old chestnut of 'fourth emergency service' being banded around for delivery staff... :crazy:
Sat at home, on them zoom calls telling us all about the 'fourth emergency service' whilst not having to do what we did. The CWU showed itself up for what it is - pro-company, anti-worker.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren