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Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

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Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

The CWU has let it's members down miserably over the last 20 years or so?
194
51%
The CWU are only in it for themselves and there reps?
128
34%
The Cwu has done an OK job?
50
13%
The Cwu has donea GREAT job?
8
2%
 
Total votes: 380

TopperGas
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Gender: Male

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by TopperGas »

chickenwittle wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 11:35
claretandblue wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 09:44
Acca Dacca wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 08:48
HarrySutton111 wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 19:12
Complete opposite in my office, new lot can even be arsed to write notice left cards out, just stick card through with tick on the day, one took 26 parcels out one day, and that's it, Complete joke
See to be fair it’s a complete waste of our time writing the rest of the details on the card when we need to take the parcel out again the next day anyway

If the recipient wants to schedule to have it collected or to PO they will already have the tracking details to do so so I don’t really see the point in having to put their address on the card when they can’t do anything with the card. The address details in the past would be used by the PHG for id purposes and to save time going to get their parcel but now you’d need to leave a second card with that after the first attempt so doing it on the first is pointless.

I still do it to keep myself right and because it fills the time and stops more calls getting lumped on us but it does seem a bit futile
I no longer bother on first attempts.
I haven’t done a 739 card for a 1st attempt tracked for about a year now and have no comeback. Customer gets email and texts to manage the delivery and they mostly don’t bother so why should I .
What if it's a Moonpig etc sent by a friend or relation or the customer doesn't have access to emails? Although if RM know the customer is getting a text etc why can't the PDA inform us a 739 is not required, we could even then send a photo as proof we called that day.

I stick a 739 though the door with the date, name and Tracking no, as hopefully they know their own address!
chickenwittle
Posts: 2084
Joined: 15 Nov 2009, 09:43
Gender: Male

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by chickenwittle »

TopperGas wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 11:51
chickenwittle wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 11:35
claretandblue wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 09:44
Acca Dacca wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 08:48
HarrySutton111 wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 19:12
Complete opposite in my office, new lot can even be arsed to write notice left cards out, just stick card through with tick on the day, one took 26 parcels out one day, and that's it, Complete joke
See to be fair it’s a complete waste of our time writing the rest of the details on the card when we need to take the parcel out again the next day anyway

If the recipient wants to schedule to have it collected or to PO they will already have the tracking details to do so so I don’t really see the point in having to put their address on the card when they can’t do anything with the card. The address details in the past would be used by the PHG for id purposes and to save time going to get their parcel but now you’d need to leave a second card with that after the first attempt so doing it on the first is pointless.

I still do it to keep myself right and because it fills the time and stops more calls getting lumped on us but it does seem a bit futile
I no longer bother on first attempts.
I haven’t done a 739 card for a 1st attempt tracked for about a year now and have no comeback. Customer gets email and texts to manage the delivery and they mostly don’t bother so why should I .
What if it's a Moonpig etc sent by a friend or relation or the customer doesn't have access to emails? Although if RM know the customer is getting a text etc why can't the PDA inform us a 739 is not required, we could even then send a photo as proof we called that day.

I stick a 739 though the door with the date, name and Tracking no, as hopefully they know their own address!
I always leave a 739 card on 2nd attempt, the majority of people now have access to email and texts, it’s often laziness on the customer’s behalf to not manage their deliveries. It’s really not that hard for them to choose inflight, neighbours, safe place etc. but they can’t be bothered.
tramssirhc
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Joined: 04 Sep 2012, 20:19
Gender: Male

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by tramssirhc »

chickenwittle wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 11:38
Smoothbackground wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 17:02
chickenwittle wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 16:11
The CWU never thought Royal Mail would write off Black Friday and Xmas , once that happened it was all about the CWU getting out still in one piece.
A slight rephrase: once that happened it was all about RM getting the CWU(‘s influence and power) out in one piece. It achieved that, arguably, with the new-entrant workforce. It pits friends and colleagues either side of divide, legacy and new contract, against one another.
Legacy workers didn’t and don’t want to work Sundays, this paved the way for the 2 tier workforce we now have , Royal Mail got what they wanted on our reluctance to change.
That's not true and was a lie put about by the CWU to force workers to accept worse conditions. Many postal workers were already working Sundays as part of their working week or on overtime. Sunday deliveries were happening well before 2022.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
Smoothbackground
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Gender: Female

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by Smoothbackground »

chickenwittle wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 11:38
Smoothbackground wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 17:02
chickenwittle wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 16:11
The CWU never thought Royal Mail would write off Black Friday and Xmas , once that happened it was all about the CWU getting out still in one piece.
A slight rephrase: once that happened it was all about RM getting the CWU(‘s influence and power) out in one piece. It achieved that, arguably, with the new-entrant workforce. It pits friends and colleagues either side of divide, legacy and new contract, against one another.
Legacy workers didn’t and don’t want to work Sundays, this paved the way for the 2 tier workforce we now have , Royal Mail got what they wanted on our reluctance to change.
Well, that reluctance to change and adapt, or to become more “flexible” in company jargon, will mean your days are numbered.
chickenwittle
Posts: 2084
Joined: 15 Nov 2009, 09:43
Gender: Male

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by chickenwittle »

tramssirhc wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 15:26
chickenwittle wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 11:38
Smoothbackground wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 17:02
chickenwittle wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 16:11
The CWU never thought Royal Mail would write off Black Friday and Xmas , once that happened it was all about the CWU getting out still in one piece.
A slight rephrase: once that happened it was all about RM getting the CWU(‘s influence and power) out in one piece. It achieved that, arguably, with the new-entrant workforce. It pits friends and colleagues either side of divide, legacy and new contract, against one another.
Legacy workers didn’t and don’t want to work Sundays, this paved the way for the 2 tier workforce we now have , Royal Mail got what they wanted on our reluctance to change.
That's not true and was a lie put about by the CWU to force workers to accept worse conditions. Many postal workers were already working Sundays as part of their working week or on overtime. Sunday deliveries were happening well before 2022.
Not for legacy workers they wernt and forcing us to do so was a non starter for the CWU and they knew it.
Sean06
Posts: 2339
Joined: 20 Nov 2023, 16:50
Gender: Male

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by Sean06 »

tramssirhc wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 15:26
chickenwittle wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 11:38
Smoothbackground wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 17:02
chickenwittle wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 16:11
The CWU never thought Royal Mail would write off Black Friday and Xmas , once that happened it was all about the CWU getting out still in one piece.
A slight rephrase: once that happened it was all about RM getting the CWU(‘s influence and power) out in one piece. It achieved that, arguably, with the new-entrant workforce. It pits friends and colleagues either side of divide, legacy and new contract, against one another.
Legacy workers didn’t and don’t want to work Sundays, this paved the way for the 2 tier workforce we now have , Royal Mail got what they wanted on our reluctance to change.
That's not true and was a lie put about by the CWU to force workers to accept worse conditions. Many postal workers were already working Sundays as part of their working week or on overtime. Sunday deliveries were happening well before 2022.
Working ot on a sunday is not part of the working week? Its done by volunteering.
scotchy1962
EX ROYAL MAIL
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Joined: 25 Mar 2020, 16:55
Gender: Male

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by scotchy1962 »

Smoothbackground wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 15:42
chickenwittle wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 11:38
Smoothbackground wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 17:02
chickenwittle wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 16:11
The CWU never thought Royal Mail would write off Black Friday and Xmas , once that happened it was all about the CWU getting out still in one piece.
A slight rephrase: once that happened it was all about RM getting the CWU(‘s influence and power) out in one piece. It achieved that, arguably, with the new-entrant workforce. It pits friends and colleagues either side of divide, legacy and new contract, against one another.
Legacy workers didn’t and don’t want to work Sundays, this paved the way for the 2 tier workforce we now have , Royal Mail got what they wanted on our reluctance to change.
Well, that reluctance to change and adapt, or to become more “flexible” in company jargon, will mean your days are numbered.
Smooth we "Legacy" staff have been adapting and changing since i joined. Flexibility is our middle name and we have always done it. But things have changed and this current bunch of half-wits think we will go for anything they throw at us. Time will tell what way this company ends up but a old phrase comes to mind "You get more bees with honey" and with no sweeteners they will get nothing. If you think somebody will be pushed out the door for not being "Flexible" i think you may be mistaken, workers rights haven't completely disappeared yet....... although that could change.
Londonsburning
Posts: 1018
Joined: 09 Oct 2024, 18:14
Gender: Male

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by Londonsburning »

Another old phrase that springs to mind is "You reap what you sow" and the plummeting of RMs reputation over the last 5 years shows just that unfortunately. We used to be highly regarded as a good employer who provided an excellent service.
tramssirhc
Posts: 1640
Joined: 04 Sep 2012, 20:19
Gender: Male

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by tramssirhc »

Sean06 wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 16:24
tramssirhc wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 15:26
chickenwittle wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 11:38
Smoothbackground wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 17:02
chickenwittle wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 16:11
The CWU never thought Royal Mail would write off Black Friday and Xmas , once that happened it was all about the CWU getting out still in one piece.
A slight rephrase: once that happened it was all about RM getting the CWU(‘s influence and power) out in one piece. It achieved that, arguably, with the new-entrant workforce. It pits friends and colleagues either side of divide, legacy and new contract, against one another.
Legacy workers didn’t and don’t want to work Sundays, this paved the way for the 2 tier workforce we now have , Royal Mail got what they wanted on our reluctance to change.
That's not true and was a lie put about by the CWU to force workers to accept worse conditions. Many postal workers were already working Sundays as part of their working week or on overtime. Sunday deliveries were happening well before 2022.
Working ot on a sunday is not part of the working week? Its done by volunteering.
Prior to 2022 many workers had Sunday deliveries as part of their contract.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
chickenwittle
Posts: 2084
Joined: 15 Nov 2009, 09:43
Gender: Male

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by chickenwittle »

tramssirhc wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 18:35
Sean06 wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 16:24
tramssirhc wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 15:26
chickenwittle wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 11:38
Smoothbackground wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 17:02
chickenwittle wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 16:11
The CWU never thought Royal Mail would write off Black Friday and Xmas , once that happened it was all about the CWU getting out still in one piece.
A slight rephrase: once that happened it was all about RM getting the CWU(‘s influence and power) out in one piece. It achieved that, arguably, with the new-entrant workforce. It pits friends and colleagues either side of divide, legacy and new contract, against one another.
Legacy workers didn’t and don’t want to work Sundays, this paved the way for the 2 tier workforce we now have , Royal Mail got what they wanted on our reluctance to change.
That's not true and was a lie put about by the CWU to force workers to accept worse conditions. Many postal workers were already working Sundays as part of their working week or on overtime. Sunday deliveries were happening well before 2022.
Working ot on a sunday is not part of the working week? Its done by volunteering.
Prior to 2022 many workers had Sunday deliveries as part of their contract.
Not legacy workers .
tramssirhc
Posts: 1640
Joined: 04 Sep 2012, 20:19
Gender: Male

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by tramssirhc »

chickenwittle wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 18:41
tramssirhc wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 18:35
Sean06 wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 16:24
tramssirhc wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 15:26
chickenwittle wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 11:38
Smoothbackground wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 17:02
chickenwittle wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 16:11
The CWU never thought Royal Mail would write off Black Friday and Xmas , once that happened it was all about the CWU getting out still in one piece.
A slight rephrase: once that happened it was all about RM getting the CWU(‘s influence and power) out in one piece. It achieved that, arguably, with the new-entrant workforce. It pits friends and colleagues either side of divide, legacy and new contract, against one another.
Legacy workers didn’t and don’t want to work Sundays, this paved the way for the 2 tier workforce we now have , Royal Mail got what they wanted on our reluctance to change.
That's not true and was a lie put about by the CWU to force workers to accept worse conditions. Many postal workers were already working Sundays as part of their working week or on overtime. Sunday deliveries were happening well before 2022.
Working ot on a sunday is not part of the working week? Its done by volunteering.
Prior to 2022 many workers had Sunday deliveries as part of their contract.
Not legacy workers .
Yes there were.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
OikOik
Posts: 82
Joined: 31 Aug 2024, 20:17
Gender: Male

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by OikOik »

Wheres_Zorba wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 20:49
Most of us thought this would be just a stop gap job, yet here we are 25 years later....
Back then you it was a decent wage for the times. Not anymore. Newbies can't afford to live on this wage.
Londonsburning
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Joined: 09 Oct 2024, 18:14
Gender: Male

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by Londonsburning »

OikOik wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 19:18
Wheres_Zorba wrote:
19 Mar 2025, 20:49
Most of us thought this would be just a stop gap job, yet here we are 25 years later....
Back then you it was a decent wage for the times. Not anymore. Newbies can't afford to live on this wage.
The crazy thing is the decent wage was even better considering you rarely even worked your full hours.
Smoothbackground
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Joined: 21 Sep 2023, 20:01
Gender: Female

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by Smoothbackground »

scotchy1962 wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 16:59
Smooth we "Legacy" staff have been adapting and changing since i joined. Flexibility is our middle name and we have always done it. But things have changed and this current bunch of half-wits think we will go for anything they throw at us. Time will tell what way this company ends up but a old phrase comes to mind "You get more bees with honey" and with no sweeteners they will get nothing. If you think somebody will be pushed out the door for not being "Flexible" i think you may be mistaken, workers rights haven't completely disappeared yet....... although that could change.
Objectively looked at, the RM ways of work for legacy staff are very inflexible.

Like I have said elsewhere on here, we are seeing signs of some of the more belligerent and difficult posties being “managed out” in my depot, with it being office gossip that one of them has recently failed a second-stage improvement/performance thingy (not sure of the ins and outs) and is awaiting a formal meeting. He is one of several.
HarrySutton111
Posts: 51
Joined: 11 Jan 2025, 14:44
Gender: Male

Re: Who has faith in Walsh and the CWU????

Post by HarrySutton111 »

Can't beat a good rumour, ours is dpr staff are to be told backshift delivery with 8pm finishes or leave