LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

[tramssirhc]

There was a time when the CWU fought the regulator and exposed it for the bully it is. OFCOM is the prime mover in a three pronged attack on workers jobs, with the CWU cowering behind it. The public can only engage with the consultation through a tick list pro-forma. The CWU has been invited into the room whilst it's members have been left outside. This LTB has only been issued as a result of the exposure of the CWU by the WSWS/SEP and the RFPWC.

Exposure by who if i was,nt on here i would not have a clue who you are talking about.who are these people an exactly what do they do.cwu will always defend posties unlike these people hidden behind stage 3's posts.

You're too late. Martin got himself in a tiswas before you got here.

[Martin Walsh]

Ofcom and formerly do not negotiate with anyone not least the CWU.

However when a regulator comes out and states the currents USO is financially unsustainable and that is has to be changed. They then propose formal proposals for the change which are open to consultation.

What do you think a sensible trade union should do?

Stand back and call for a rank and file revolution?

Sure we will always criticise their decision making especially around DSA.

However surely any sensible union would test the proposed USO impact in a a live environment to see if it works , what its impact is and what potential benefits are ?

We have agreed to 37 pilot units. We have not agreed to overall USO reform.

Ofcom have suggested they will make their former decision in early summer.

There are no job losses associated with the pilots.

There are 7 different menu of options available to the pilot units to vote for which improve attendances with fewer Saturdays in work.

It is so easy for people to say oppose or it will not work.

However Ofcom will change the USO. Standing on the sidelines achieves what actually ?

Are the members up for a strike against the regulator as well as the employer?

According to Ofcom the current USO is losing Royal Mail over 300 million pounds per year. To restore quality of service to 93% would cost over 200 million.

Royal Mail are a company with a 7 billion turnover but will just about break even in turns of profit, how long do you think a company can continue to do that.

No one likes change it was the same when we moved from 2 deliveries to 1 , however USO change is inevitable.

Please rest assured If the pilots don’t work and don’t achieve the four overarching objectives which is improved quality , achievable workload , improved attendance patterns and better morale then we will be agreeing to USO reform.

In line with the EP agreement our support for USO reform is dependent on resolving pay, equalising new entrants pay, terms and conditions, reducing agency , improving VR terms , improving SSP, improving overtime and SA rates and a new performance incentive scheme.

Unions have to face up to change, we not got the luxury of no responsibility to our members.

If you really think the current USO is working for our members then you have not been in to the number of different units I have.

If the union agrees to USO reform it will be after seeing if the pilots work and then it will be subject to our members voting on any agreement we achieve.

I have always believed in membership communication but I do find it somewhat strange that individuals get very personal and then expect a reply.

Have a good weekend I am in Peterborough tomorrow for an AGM to meet the members.

[Playmail]

How can giving us more work make our rounds more achievable doesn't make sense we can't clear now

[Valentina@1]

Maybe he should try deliver a walk 2-3 days work,see how he gets on.

Absolute turncoats,the lot of them

[tramssirhc]

Ofcom and formerly do not negotiate with anyone not least the CWU.

However when a regulator comes out and states the currents USO is financially unsustainable and that is has to be changed. They then propose formal proposals for the change which are open to consultation.

What do you think a sensible trade union should do?

Stand back and call for a rank and file revolution?

Sure we will always criticise their decision making especially around DSA.

However surely any sensible union would test the proposed USO impact in a a live environment to see if it works , what its impact is and what potential benefits are ?

We have agreed to 37 pilot units. We have not agreed to overall USO reform.

Ofcom have suggested they will make their former decision in early summer.

There are no job losses associated with the pilots.

There are 7 different menu of options available to the pilot units to vote for which improve attendances with fewer Saturdays in work.

It is so easy for people to say oppose or it will not work.

However Ofcom will change the USO. Standing on the sidelines achieves what actually ?

Are the members up for a strike against the regulator as well as the employer?

According to Ofcom the current USO is losing Royal Mail over 300 million pounds per year. To restore quality of service to 93% would cost over 200 million.

Royal Mail are a company with a 7 billion turnover but will just about break even in turns of profit, how long do you think a company can continue to do that.

No one likes change it was the same when we moved from 2 deliveries to 1 , however USO change is inevitable.

Please rest assured If the pilots don’t work and don’t achieve the four overarching objectives which is improved quality , achievable workload , improved attendance patterns and better morale then we will be agreeing to USO reform.

In line with the EP agreement our support for USO reform is dependent on resolving pay, equalising new entrants pay, terms and conditions, reducing agency , improving VR terms , improving SSP, improving overtime and SA rates and a new performance incentive scheme.

Unions have to face up to change, we not got the luxury of no responsibility to our members.

If you really think the current USO is working for our members then you have not been in to the number of different units I have.

If the union agrees to USO reform it will be after seeing if the pilots work and then it will be subject to our members voting on any agreement we achieve.

I have always believed in membership communication but I do find it somewhat strange that individuals get very personal and then expect a reply.

Have a good weekend I am in Peterborough tomorrow for an AGM to meet the members.

Whilst your here Martin tell us about these cosy meetings with OFCOM. The CWU has had special treatment in this consultation. The public have to download a word file and tick the boxes. You must have something to say about the meetings? Come on, share.

[tramssirhc]

Maybe he should try deliver a walk 2-3 days work,see how he gets on.

Absolute turncoats,the lot of them

Martin's not done a duty in decades. Maybe the gaffer would give him special treatment if he was on the bag because he couldn't do it.

[Martin Walsh]

1st class ,all parcels, all tracked and all specials will be delivered every day Monday to Saturday.

Non priority will be delivered every other day Monday to Friday.

If you do double prep then this will be removed from your duty along with other indoor tasks and given to a part timer to increase their hours up to full time.

Mondays and Tuesdays will be heavier then now so long and short attendances will no longer will be required.

The model does not work with absorption.

The call rate increases from 48-% to the high 70’s.

The work which will increase will be mainly walk sorted / sequenced items.

Each of the improved attendance patterns will in exchange for more days off work slightly lengthen the days your at work.

The true degree of the impact will need to be tested in the pilots.

[Valentina@1]

RM stopping POIS from using payroll,but still allowing CWU subs….explain that 1

You scratch my back springs to mind

[tramssirhc]

1st class ,all parcels, all tracked and all specials will be delivered every day Monday to Saturday.

Non priority will be delivered every other day Monday to Friday.

If you do double prep then this will be removed from your duty along with other indoor tasks and given to a part timer to increase their hours up to full time.

Mondays and Tuesdays will be heavier then now so long and short attendances will no longer will be required.

The model does not work with absorption.

The call rate increases from 48-% to the high 70’s.

The work which will increase will be mainly walk sorted / sequenced items.

Each of the improved attendance patterns will in exchange for more days off work slightly lengthen the days your at work.

The true degree of the impact will need to be tested in the pilots.

Come on Martin. You know full well that is not an alternative day model. If walks A and B don't go out Friday, then they don't go out Saturday that's not an alternative day model.

[tramssirhc]

1st class ,all parcels, all tracked and all specials will be delivered every day Monday to Saturday.

Non priority will be delivered every other day Monday to Friday.

If you do double prep then this will be removed from your duty along with other indoor tasks and given to a part timer to increase their hours up to full time.

Mondays and Tuesdays will be heavier then now so long and short attendances will no longer will be required.

The model does not work with absorption.

The call rate increases from 48-% to the high 70’s.

The work which will increase will be mainly walk sorted / sequenced items.

Each of the improved attendance patterns will in exchange for more days off work slightly lengthen the days your at work.

The true degree of the impact will need to be tested in the pilots.

Anyway Martin tell us about the OFCOM meetings. Even if it's to say they were commercially sensitive and you can't tell us. You're not empowering yourself by clinging to the information. It doesn't give you power, it makes you powerless.

[Martin Walsh]

That is the model. All walks will get a delivery of 1st class , all parcels , tracked and specials 6 days every week.

Non priority items such as second class will get delivered within their normal specification apart from Saturday.

DSA items will move to D3.

The alternative delivery Monday to Friday only applies to non priority items most of it mech.

[tramssirhc]

Ofcom and formerly do not negotiate with anyone not least the CWU.

However when a regulator comes out and states the currents USO is financially unsustainable and that is has to be changed. They then propose formal proposals for the change which are open to consultation.

What do you think a sensible trade union should do?

Stand back and call for a rank and file revolution?

Sure we will always criticise their decision making especially around DSA.

However surely any sensible union would test the proposed USO impact in a a live environment to see if it works , what its impact is and what potential benefits are ?

We have agreed to 37 pilot units. We have not agreed to overall USO reform.

Ofcom have suggested they will make their former decision in early summer.

There are no job losses associated with the pilots.

There are 7 different menu of options available to the pilot units to vote for which improve attendances with fewer Saturdays in work.

It is so easy for people to say oppose or it will not work.

However Ofcom will change the USO. Standing on the sidelines achieves what actually ?

Are the members up for a strike against the regulator as well as the employer?

According to Ofcom the current USO is losing Royal Mail over 300 million pounds per year. To restore quality of service to 93% would cost over 200 million.

Royal Mail are a company with a 7 billion turnover but will just about break even in turns of profit, how long do you think a company can continue to do that.

No one likes change it was the same when we moved from 2 deliveries to 1 , however USO change is inevitable.

Please rest assured If the pilots don’t work and don’t achieve the four overarching objectives which is improved quality , achievable workload , improved attendance patterns and better morale then we will be agreeing to USO reform.

In line with the EP agreement our support for USO reform is dependent on resolving pay, equalising new entrants pay, terms and conditions, reducing agency , improving VR terms , improving SSP, improving overtime and SA rates and a new performance incentive scheme.

Unions have to face up to change, we not got the luxury of no responsibility to our members.

If you really think the current USO is working for our members then you have not been in to the number of different units I have.

If the union agrees to USO reform it will be after seeing if the pilots work and then it will be subject to our members voting on any agreement we achieve.

I have always believed in membership communication but I do find it somewhat strange that individuals get very personal and then expect a reply.

Have a good weekend I am in Peterborough tomorrow for an AGM to meet the members.

This is not Ofcom’s position. The regulator is demanding a profit for shareholders from the delivery of all mail every day. That’s not what the regulator is for. Ofcom invited the CWU in, the CWU went and the CWU should tell members what you agreed at the meetings.

The role of a rank and file led industrial and political fighting back union is to take on the regulator and employers. The CWU is far from a sensible trade union. It’s failing it’s members.

The CWU has a position on down stream access operations which is primarily that the regulator prevents this method of mailing from making enough profit for the employer. That’s not the role of a sensible trade union.

Where a major reorganisation of workers jobs is taking place those affected should have the greatest say. Before the trials were agreed the workers should have been asked to agree to the changes. The fact you focus on ‘potential benefits’ at the cost of workers ways of working demonstrates that the CWU is part of a three way attack on it’s members jobs.

The CWU may well have agreed to a limited number of workplaces being part of an experiment. Workers however believe that the number of workplaces undergoing the experiment is more. Many workplaces already operate a different model of delivery that meets the regulators demands.

The proof of the CWU’s agreement to the regulators demand for profit is contained in the records of the meetings you have had with Ofcom. Until the CWU shares that information members will believe that the CWU is fully on board with the regulators demands.

Ofcom is currently conducting itself as the arbiter of all decisions on the future of postal workers jobs. You admit this in your post numerous times. The consultation document is not a wish list. It is a road map to the destruction of workers jobs.
Ofcom’s road map takes the industry on a journey of job losses. Whilst the experiments may not lose workers over the trial period the implementation of Ofcom’s changes means massive job losses.

The test of your claim that there are ‘seven different menu options which improve attendances’ is the outcome of the vote at the experiment sites which have never been communicated to members. CWU members report that volunteers are being sought to carry out the experiments.

Workers will demand opposition and will criticise your plans when they have not been involved in them. Frankly what do you expect?

To then attack workers and question their willingness to take action against the experiments demonstrates your isolated position. You cannot claim to represent workers whilst questioning their desire to fight.

Ofcom’s consultation document makes numerous claims about the universal service obligation. The regulator supports the delivery of a universal service as long as it makes a profit that pays shareholders. A sensible trade union would not constantly repeat the regulators claims of workers jobs being a burden to the industry and it’s employers. Every time you defend profit making and put the industry before workers you are exposing the CWU’s partnership in a tripartite attack on workers – the alliance of regulator, industry, union.

Whilst it is obviously a mistake you state that the CWU will agree to the regulators demands even if workers suffer. This could be a typographical error or you may have simply given the game away. The CWU is a partner in the attack on workers jobs after all.

The current chaos facing workers is the result of the potential buyout. We know full well that the current operation is not working – we live it everyday.

There can be no resolution during a transitional period. However this is not preventing the demands of the regulator being forced through. The CWU is already supporting Ofcom by forcing an experiment on workers without achieving any of the improvements you claim to have set out to the prospective buyer.

For the first time despite official communications being issued by the CWU you are now claiming that support for the regulators demands will be conditional on members voting to support those changes. If this is the case why not let members vote on it now before it’s too late?

Members will suspect that your claim is hollow. This vote will be an attempt to legitimise what you have already agreed. The CWU will allow it with a recommendation to accept the changes because ‘there is no other alternative’. Postal workers will not be the turkeys that vote for Christmas.

You chose to get involved in this discussion on this forum. It was your choice to reply. We know you did so because you are being exposed for your actions.

Enjoy your weekend.

[tramssirhc]

How can giving us more work make our rounds more achievable doesn't make sense we can't clear now

Have a read of the consultation document. Of om want you to work harder to make a profit for shareholders. The regulator would let you do it over 6 days if it made a profit.

[Valentina@1]

Ofcom and formerly do not negotiate with anyone not least the CWU.

However when a regulator comes out and states the currents USO is financially unsustainable and that is has to be changed. They then propose formal proposals for the change which are open to consultation.

What do you think a sensible trade union should do?

Stand back and call for a rank and file revolution?

Sure we will always criticise their decision making especially around DSA.

However surely any sensible union would test the proposed USO impact in a a live environment to see if it works , what its impact is and what potential benefits are ?

We have agreed to 37 pilot units. We have not agreed to overall USO reform.

Ofcom have suggested they will make their former decision in early summer.

There are no job losses associated with the pilots.

There are 7 different menu of options available to the pilot units to vote for which improve attendances with fewer Saturdays in work.

It is so easy for people to say oppose or it will not work.

However Ofcom will change the USO. Standing on the sidelines achieves what actually ?

Are the members up for a strike against the regulator as well as the employer?

According to Ofcom the current USO is losing Royal Mail over 300 million pounds per year. To restore quality of service to 93% would cost over 200 million.

Royal Mail are a company with a 7 billion turnover but will just about break even in turns of profit, how long do you think a company can continue to do that.

No one likes change it was the same when we moved from 2 deliveries to 1 , however USO change is inevitable.

Please rest assured If the pilots don’t work and don’t achieve the four overarching objectives which is improved quality , achievable workload , improved attendance patterns and better morale then we will be agreeing to USO reform.

In line with the EP agreement our support for USO reform is dependent on resolving pay, equalising new entrants pay, terms and conditions, reducing agency , improving VR terms , improving SSP, improving overtime and SA rates and a new performance incentive scheme.

Unions have to face up to change, we not got the luxury of no responsibility to our members.

If you really think the current USO is working for our members then you have not been in to the number of different units I have.

If the union agrees to USO reform it will be after seeing if the pilots work and then it will be subject to our members voting on any agreement we achieve.

I have always believed in membership communication but I do find it somewhat strange that individuals get very personal and then expect a reply.

Have a good weekend I am in Peterborough tomorrow for an AGM to meet the members.

This is not Ofcom’s position. The regulator is demanding a profit for shareholders from the delivery of all mail every day. That’s not what the regulator is for. Ofcom invited the CWU in, the CWU went and the CWU should tell members what you agreed at the meetings.

The role of a rank and file led industrial and political fighting back union is to take on the regulator and employers. The CWU is far from a sensible trade union. It’s failing it’s members.

The CWU has a position on down stream access operations which is primarily that the regulator prevents this method of mailing from making enough profit for the employer. That’s not the role of a sensible trade union.

Where a major reorganisation of workers jobs is taking place those affected should have the greatest say. Before the trials were agreed the workers should have been asked to agree to the changes. The fact you focus on ‘potential benefits’ at the cost of workers ways of working demonstrates that the CWU is part of a three way attack on it’s members jobs.

The CWU may well have agreed to a limited number of workplaces being part of an experiment. Workers however believe that the number of workplaces undergoing the experiment is more. Many workplaces already operate a different model of delivery that meets the regulators demands.

The proof of the CWU’s agreement to the regulators demand for profit is contained in the records of the meetings you have had with Ofcom. Until the CWU shares that information members will believe that the CWU is fully on board with the regulators demands.

Ofcom is currently conducting itself as the arbiter of all decisions on the future of postal workers jobs. You admit this in your post numerous times. The consultation document is not a wish list. It is a road map to the destruction of workers jobs.
Ofcom’s road map takes the industry on a journey of job losses. Whilst the experiments may not lose workers over the trial period the implementation of Ofcom’s changes means massive job losses.

The test of your claim that there are ‘seven different menu options which improve attendances’ is the outcome of the vote at the experiment sites which have never been communicated to members. CWU members report that volunteers are being sought to carry out the experiments.

Workers will demand opposition and will criticise your plans when they have not been involved in them. Frankly what do you expect?

To then attack workers and question their willingness to take action against the experiments demonstrates your isolated position. You cannot claim to represent workers whilst questioning their desire to fight.

Ofcom’s consultation document makes numerous claims about the universal service obligation. The regulator supports the delivery of a universal service as long as it makes a profit that pays shareholders. A sensible trade union would not constantly repeat the regulators claims of workers jobs being a burden to the industry and it’s employers. Every time you defend profit making and put the industry before workers you are exposing the CWU’s partnership in a tripartite attack on workers – the alliance of regulator, industry, union.

Whilst it is obviously a mistake you state that the CWU will agree to the regulators demands even if workers suffer. This could be a typographical error or you may have simply given the game away. The CWU is a partner in the attack on workers jobs after all.

The current chaos facing workers is the result of the potential buyout. We know full well that the current operation is not working – we live it everyday.

There can be no resolution during a transitional period. However this is not preventing the demands of the regulator being forced through. The CWU is already supporting Ofcom by forcing an experiment on workers without achieving any of the improvements you claim to have set out to the prospective buyer.

For the first time despite official communications being issued by the CWU you are now claiming that support for the regulators demands will be conditional on members voting to support those changes. If this is the case why not let members vote on it now before it’s too late?

Members will suspect that your claim is hollow. This vote will be an attempt to legitimise what you have already agreed. The CWU will allow it with a recommendation to accept the changes because ‘there is no other alternative’. Postal workers will not be the turkeys that vote for Christmas.

You chose to get involved in this discussion on this forum. It was your choice to reply. We know you did so because you are being exposed for your actions.

Enjoy your weekend.

[tramssirhc]

Ofcom and formerly do not negotiate with anyone not least the CWU.

However when a regulator comes out and states the currents USO is financially unsustainable and that is has to be changed. They then propose formal proposals for the change which are open to consultation.

What do you think a sensible trade union should do?

Stand back and call for a rank and file revolution?

Sure we will always criticise their decision making especially around DSA.

However surely any sensible union would test the proposed USO impact in a a live environment to see if it works , what its impact is and what potential benefits are ?

We have agreed to 37 pilot units. We have not agreed to overall USO reform.

Ofcom have suggested they will make their former decision in early summer.

There are no job losses associated with the pilots.

There are 7 different menu of options available to the pilot units to vote for which improve attendances with fewer Saturdays in work.

It is so easy for people to say oppose or it will not work.

However Ofcom will change the USO. Standing on the sidelines achieves what actually ?

Are the members up for a strike against the regulator as well as the employer?

According to Ofcom the current USO is losing Royal Mail over 300 million pounds per year. To restore quality of service to 93% would cost over 200 million.

Royal Mail are a company with a 7 billion turnover but will just about break even in turns of profit, how long do you think a company can continue to do that.

No one likes change it was the same when we moved from 2 deliveries to 1 , however USO change is inevitable.

Please rest assured If the pilots don’t work and don’t achieve the four overarching objectives which is improved quality , achievable workload , improved attendance patterns and better morale then we will be agreeing to USO reform.

In line with the EP agreement our support for USO reform is dependent on resolving pay, equalising new entrants pay, terms and conditions, reducing agency , improving VR terms , improving SSP, improving overtime and SA rates and a new performance incentive scheme.

Unions have to face up to change, we not got the luxury of no responsibility to our members.

If you really think the current USO is working for our members then you have not been in to the number of different units I have.

If the union agrees to USO reform it will be after seeing if the pilots work and then it will be subject to our members voting on any agreement we achieve.

I have always believed in membership communication but I do find it somewhat strange that individuals get very personal and then expect a reply.

Have a good weekend I am in Peterborough tomorrow for an AGM to meet the members.

This is not Ofcom’s position. The regulator is demanding a profit for shareholders from the delivery of all mail every day. That’s not what the regulator is for. Ofcom invited the CWU in, the CWU went and the CWU should tell members what you agreed at the meetings.

The role of a rank and file led industrial and political fighting back union is to take on the regulator and employers. The CWU is far from a sensible trade union. It’s failing it’s members.

The CWU has a position on down stream access operations which is primarily that the regulator prevents this method of mailing from making enough profit for the employer. That’s not the role of a sensible trade union.

Where a major reorganisation of workers jobs is taking place those affected should have the greatest say. Before the trials were agreed the workers should have been asked to agree to the changes. The fact you focus on ‘potential benefits’ at the cost of workers ways of working demonstrates that the CWU is part of a three way attack on it’s members jobs.

The CWU may well have agreed to a limited number of workplaces being part of an experiment. Workers however believe that the number of workplaces undergoing the experiment is more. Many workplaces already operate a different model of delivery that meets the regulators demands.

The proof of the CWU’s agreement to the regulators demand for profit is contained in the records of the meetings you have had with Ofcom. Until the CWU shares that information members will believe that the CWU is fully on board with the regulators demands.

Ofcom is currently conducting itself as the arbiter of all decisions on the future of postal workers jobs. You admit this in your post numerous times. The consultation document is not a wish list. It is a road map to the destruction of workers jobs.
Ofcom’s road map takes the industry on a journey of job losses. Whilst the experiments may not lose workers over the trial period the implementation of Ofcom’s changes means massive job losses.

The test of your claim that there are ‘seven different menu options which improve attendances’ is the outcome of the vote at the experiment sites which have never been communicated to members. CWU members report that volunteers are being sought to carry out the experiments.

Workers will demand opposition and will criticise your plans when they have not been involved in them. Frankly what do you expect?

To then attack workers and question their willingness to take action against the experiments demonstrates your isolated position. You cannot claim to represent workers whilst questioning their desire to fight.

Ofcom’s consultation document makes numerous claims about the universal service obligation. The regulator supports the delivery of a universal service as long as it makes a profit that pays shareholders. A sensible trade union would not constantly repeat the regulators claims of workers jobs being a burden to the industry and it’s employers. Every time you defend profit making and put the industry before workers you are exposing the CWU’s partnership in a tripartite attack on workers – the alliance of regulator, industry, union.

Whilst it is obviously a mistake you state that the CWU will agree to the regulators demands even if workers suffer. This could be a typographical error or you may have simply given the game away. The CWU is a partner in the attack on workers jobs after all.

The current chaos facing workers is the result of the potential buyout. We know full well that the current operation is not working – we live it everyday.

There can be no resolution during a transitional period. However this is not preventing the demands of the regulator being forced through. The CWU is already supporting Ofcom by forcing an experiment on workers without achieving any of the improvements you claim to have set out to the prospective buyer.

For the first time despite official communications being issued by the CWU you are now claiming that support for the regulators demands will be conditional on members voting to support those changes. If this is the case why not let members vote on it now before it’s too late?

Members will suspect that your claim is hollow. This vote will be an attempt to legitimise what you have already agreed. The CWU will allow it with a recommendation to accept the changes because ‘there is no other alternative’. Postal workers will not be the turkeys that vote for Christmas.

You chose to get involved in this discussion on this forum. It was your choice to reply. We know you did so because you are being exposed for your actions.

Enjoy your weekend.

Feel free to share. The more pressure we put on Martin the more chance we have of stopping what's happening.