Non Drivers

[Barnacle]

Thanks for the reply. I was told they start this week with trials lasting through Feb and march with a view to rolling it out to other offices from April-June. It's only hearsay but it came from a fairy reliable source who knows the manager in our area earmarked for rolling it out (on a social basis). A couple of managers in our office have indicated it's likely to be "sooner rather than later" Its coming. They've invested too much money and time on it. I wouldn't want to say more than that in case the manager that told me gets identified. He's one of the few decent managers we have.

Depends where you are located - the pilot is starting in Scotland and working it’s way down the country, with some offices not starting until May.

[A2B]

Anyone working in the trial offices have an update on this problem?

This is the only bit of info I've seen from a trial office so far, non driver does indoor work every other Saturday

Ayr and Girvan DO uso trials
3 posties cover 4 duties
2 cover 2 whole duties with everything
All mail (can be 3 days worth 2nd class and DSA
And over 75% d2d on monday
1 postie will cover 2 driving duties with 1st class and all pkts and trackeds 2nd class where your attending with 1st class
If they have time they help other 2
Drivers rotate duties walking mans on double treble mail every weekday
Walking man also to work every other sat inside
Prepping d2ds and mail /packets
At present we cant manage 2 days mail in 1 frame if someones off
What could possibly go wrong

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

Anyone working in the trial offices have an update on this problem?

This is the only bit of info I've seen from a trial office so far, non driver does indoor work every other Saturday

Ayr and Girvan DO uso trials
3 posties cover 4 duties
2 cover 2 whole duties with everything
All mail (can be 3 days worth 2nd class and DSA
And over 75% d2d on monday
1 postie will cover 2 driving duties with 1st class and all pkts and trackeds 2nd class where your attending with 1st class
If they have time they help other 2
Drivers rotate duties walking mans on double treble mail every weekday
Walking man also to work every other sat inside
Prepping d2ds and mail /packets
At present we cant manage 2 days mail in 1 frame if someones off
What could possibly go wrong

Are vans getting installed with the Mission Impossible theme tune on auto-repeat?

[postiewhite]

If the trials are pushed through there will never be a day ever again like we have been getting on Mondays and Tuesdays where you can skip 10 to 15 houses in a street before you deliver something.
Mondays and Tuesdays will become the new Wednesday and Thursday of how it used to be 10 years ago with most bags having 5-6 big bundles but with the added bonus of more parcels in your bag than you had 10 years ago.

Enjoy the last of the quiet letter days.

[Rommagic]

Trails agreed not pushed through.

[postmanzach]

Royal Mail want rid of all colleagues on the old contract whether driving or not. You'll never get admission that they want that but the way they act is slowly driving out the old staff to be replaced with cheaper inferior contracted staff.

I don’t doubt this at all.
When RM started doing sundays and anyone new had to work sundays, an older lady I was chatting with worked at m&s decades ago. Not sure when exactly tbh but she said when they started doing sundays at first they were assured no changes to their contracts and nobody thought they would lose their jobs, but years later once they had more people on new contracts doing them than not they said accept new contracts or leave.. not entirely sure how
much truth is in this but sounds plausible enough.

[Barnacle]

Royal Mail want rid of all colleagues on the old contract whether driving or not. You'll never get admission that they want that but the way they act is slowly driving out the old staff to be replaced with cheaper inferior contracted staff.

I don’t doubt this at all.
When RM started doing sundays and anyone new had to work sundays, an older lady I was chatting with worked at m&s decades ago. Not sure when exactly tbh but she said when they started doing sundays at first they were assured no changes to their contracts and nobody thought they would lose their jobs, but years later once they had more people on new contracts doing them than not they said accept new contracts or leave.. not entirely sure how
much truth is in this but sounds plausible enough.

Asda did the same thing through sack and rehire and they also get older staff/contract staff to leave by periodically offering VR. They all use the same playbook.

[postslippete]

I don’t doubt this at all.
When RM started doing sundays and anyone new had to work sundays, an older lady I was chatting with worked at m&s decades ago. Not sure when exactly tbh but she said when they started doing sundays at first they were assured no changes to their contracts and nobody thought they would lose their jobs, but years later once they had more people on new contracts doing them than not they said accept new contracts or leave.. not entirely sure how
much truth is in this but sounds plausible enough.

It will probably happen at some point in the future. The CWU won't be able to ignore the fact that most of our business now comes from delivering parcels 7 days a week and a situation where nearly half the workforce are only contracted to work Sundays will be untenable. The Union will say that we won't have to work many of them and I wouldn't be surprised to see 1st class letters being delivered on a Sunday either if they didn't go out on Saturday just so that RM can hit QoS targets.....

The obvious exception for those who don't have to work a Sunday is if you cannot drive.

[TopperGas]

I don’t doubt this at all.
When RM started doing sundays and anyone new had to work sundays, an older lady I was chatting with worked at m&s decades ago. Not sure when exactly tbh but she said when they started doing sundays at first they were assured no changes to their contracts and nobody thought they would lose their jobs, but years later once they had more people on new contracts doing them than not they said accept new contracts or leave.. not entirely sure how
much truth is in this but sounds plausible enough.

It will probably happen at some point in the future. The CWU won't be able to ignore the fact that most of our business now comes from delivering parcels 7 days a week and a situation where nearly half the workforce are only contracted to work Sundays will be untenable. The Union will say that we won't have to work many of them and I wouldn't be surprised to see 1st class letters being delivered on a Sunday either if they didn't go out on Saturday just so that RM can hit QoS targets.....

The obvious exception for those who don't have to work a Sunday is if you cannot drive.

There's no way RM will start delivering mail on Sunday's more likely they'll seek to drop delivering 1c mail on a Saturday once the USO reforms are fully in place across the company.

[world class male]

I don’t doubt this at all.
When RM started doing sundays and anyone new had to work sundays, an older lady I was chatting with worked at m&s decades ago. Not sure when exactly tbh but she said when they started doing sundays at first they were assured no changes to their contracts and nobody thought they would lose their jobs, but years later once they had more people on new contracts doing them than not they said accept new contracts or leave.. not entirely sure how
much truth is in this but sounds plausible enough.

It will probably happen at some point in the future. The CWU won't be able to ignore the fact that most of our business now comes from delivering parcels 7 days a week and a situation where nearly half the workforce are only contracted to work Sundays will be untenable. The Union will say that we won't have to work many of them and I wouldn't be surprised to see 1st class letters being delivered on a Sunday either if they didn't go out on Saturday just so that RM can hit QoS targets.....

The obvious exception for those who don't have to work a Sunday is if you cannot drive.

There's no way RM will start delivering mail on Sunday's more likely they'll seek to drop delivering 1c mail on a Saturday once the USO reforms are fully in place across the company.

been posting mail on sundays for a while at ours to try clear some of the failed walks

[Dingo99]

I don’t doubt this at all.
When RM started doing sundays and anyone new had to work sundays, an older lady I was chatting with worked at m&s decades ago. Not sure when exactly tbh but she said when they started doing sundays at first they were assured no changes to their contracts and nobody thought they would lose their jobs, but years later once they had more people on new contracts doing them than not they said accept new contracts or leave.. not entirely sure how
much truth is in this but sounds plausible enough.

It will probably happen at some point in the future. The CWU won't be able to ignore the fact that most of our business now comes from delivering parcels 7 days a week and a situation where nearly half the workforce are only contracted to work Sundays will be untenable. The Union will say that we won't have to work many of them and I wouldn't be surprised to see 1st class letters being delivered on a Sunday either if they didn't go out on Saturday just so that RM can hit QoS targets.....

The obvious exception for those who don't have to work a Sunday is if you cannot drive.

There's no way RM will start delivering mail on Sunday's more likely they'll seek to drop delivering 1c mail on a Saturday once the USO reforms are fully in place across the company.

been posting mail on sundays for a while at ours to try clear some of the failed walks

Ffs, won't catch me doing that shitte

[postslippete]

There's no way RM will start delivering mail on Sunday's more likely they'll seek to drop delivering 1c mail on a Saturday once the USO reforms are fully in place across the company.

Although RM has never had any enthusiasm for delivering letters the Union wants a restoration of quality of service and apparently that is embedded in their agreement with EP Group. What they expect by this when offices have had and still have overtime bans is anyone's guess.

Perhaps if there is any backlog of letters or failures to deliver 1c on a Saturday (especially in these pilot offices) then it may well go out for delivery on a Sunday to make it work? The Union suggests that there will be no further agreement on the USO reform otherwise so I imagine that there will be a lot of resources thrown in to make these pilots work in the short term.

[Smoothbackground]

We do “recovery work” (aka delivery of mail) quite often on a Sunday and have been doing for over a year. Sunday LATs always have priority, but if there is any scope afterwards we are sent out with bundles of mail to clear off walks.

[Londonsburning]

We do “recovery work” (aka delivery of mail) quite often on a Sunday and have been doing for over a year. Sunday LATs always have priority, but if there is any scope afterwards we are sent out with bundles of mail to clear off walks.

So you haven't really been getting away 1.30-2 hours early on a Sunday shift then as you've stated? Sniff sniff me smells imagine being a RM shill and a liar on this forum

[BELIAL]

Always trust your senses.