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Parcel Delivery Driver - brand new - manual or automatic

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Laiah24
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Parcel Delivery Driver - brand new - manual or automatic

Post by Laiah24 »

Hi all
I've just landed myself a job as a 'Parcel Delivery Driver' I've got a full manual license and learnt in manual but been driving automatic for a while. They say it's like riding a bike but just thinking ahead to have a bit of practice in my mates car to get back into the swing of driving manual.

Are the Delivery vans mostly manual? And if they are what's the most common model please folks? I've read mostly Peugeot, Vauxhall or Ford. :hmmmm

I'm starting with what the interviewer said a week of 'training'paired up woth one his guys. Sounds a bit like a trial tbh (even though I've had an email from HR confirming the job) so last thing I want is to turn up as a rusty manual driver lol. Maybe I'm over thinking it. I thought i might even hire a car to get back in the swing of it. Any info/tips would be helpful.

I Forgot to ask in my interview. Also what should I expect in this driving role. Do you just get like a programmed sat nav or something or nothing of the sort. And what would be best to wear, I'm thinking maybe some layers as guessing Im likely in and out of the van? Sorry for the many questions. Have no clue never done it before. Thanks folks. :Very Happy
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Re: Parcel Delivery Driver - brand new - manual or automatic

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Depends if your office has electric vans or not. Go down to the DO (delivery office) and look through the gates very early or very late (when the yard is full) and see what is in there or comes and goes.

Electric vans are obviously fully automatic. Otherwise, all the vans are manual diesels. The diesel van will have heavier clutch pedals than a petrol car. And if they are old or battered expect the clutch to bite anywhere in the range of pedal travel. We have Fiat vans than grind gears if you don't mash the pedal in to the floor and bite about a 1/4 inch off the floor.

Peugeot, Vauxhall, Mercs, VW Caddy - could be anything.

You'll need to be assessed by a qualified person before driving for RM - unless you are agency. It's call the "changeover". Ask them "do I need to do a changeover?", "is my changeover booked in?". It's a half day out with an instructor. Treat it like a driving test. Hands 10 to two, signalling correctly, maintain lane discipline at junctions and roundabouts etc., no speeding, no bad habits. Driving forwards and reversing. It may be bigger than you are use to so stay a little wider when turning so you don't clip curbs etc. They'll want you to inspect the van, lights working, horn, tyre thread (take a twenty pence coin with you - google it), washer fluid, doors work, seat belts work, no warning lights on the dash. Good luck find one that passes unless it's a new van!

It wouldn't be good to stall it five times before leaving the yard so some practice would be best. If you do stall it just don't lose control - brake, handbrake on, out of gear, ignition off and back on and restart the engine, into gear, mirror, signal, handbrake off, and proceed when safe.

Initially you may shadow someone else - however, you may get dumped on your own immediately. Expect to be given a York (a metal cage) full of parcels, a set of van keys, and a PDA (handheld computer like a phone) with the ability to scan barcodes. You'll need a login for the PDA - take a photo of it or write it down. Take a few working pens with you (clickable, who wants to be messing with pen caps) and a couple of sheets of paper (though you can take a few cards out of the back of any York in the yard that are "broken down" (their floor is lifted and the sides spread out and slotted together) if you need something to write on. Don't take a card out of a York inside the office or has "stuff" in it. Your may remove a label that is needed. You need a few pens because you'll lose them and you may want to give one to another new start who has not got one.

You'll need to ask someone how to scan parcels in and how to do a "van check" - don't let go of the PDA. Do it yourself with them explaining, not them doing it and handing the PDA back. You'll need the start mileage of the van initially and close off the van check with the end mileage when you finish.

Wear dark trousers or shorts. Cargo-like with thigh pockets. T-shirt or shirt (or two t-shirts) and a hoodie (black/ grey, even red!) if cold and ask for a RM vest. When they say are are none, tell them your saw a sign in the yard saying they must be worn in the yard and watch their face - if they laugh you may have some you can learn from, if they do anything else they could be trouble. Comfortable shoes - trainers or walking boots, whatever you prefer. Take a waterproof if it's raining - we don't stop for rain of any amount.

Once all the parcels are scanned to a particular code/route they will appear on the PDA in the order they should be delivered. The order will not be perfect but better than nothing if you don't know the area. Before pressing the "Depart Depot" button you can press a little toggle button and enable van loading and select the number of zones for the amount of parcels you have. You can they rescan ALL the parcels and write "F88", "D44", "B14", and "A1" on the label of the parcel. If you have eighty-eight parcels "F88" is your last drop/call and "A1" is your first. Throw all the parcels back into a York and wheel it to your van. Put all the F's in one pile, the E's next to them, D, C, B. For the A's order them neatly. Have A1, if not too big, on the passenger seat or available. Do your van check. Make sure you have plenty of cards (red P739 cards) and a pen. Set off without rushing. Take it slow and relax.

It's worth doing the van loading and writing the parcel number clearly and in large print (don't write over the barcode) while you're at the office in the warmth because it saves time when you're out and it's late, and dark, and cold, and raining, and you stopped on a road with cars zooming past your back side while you're throwing parcels around in the back of the van looking for the bl*ody thing - and needing the toilet.

On the PDA you'll have a list of drops. Swipe left two navigate to the location (it may not get you perfectly there when you have flats, an office block, or it's a light industrial unit but it should be close (though for some it's WAY off). Once you arrive, back out of the nav, and swipe right to "attend" the delivery. Take a photo without a face in it (open door, legs, etc.). If you miss a parcel when scanning them in or you want to rescan an parcel you can do than with the PDA - just press the button halfway down the right-hand side.

Good luck!
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Post by Smoothbackground »

Some great advice from BasildonBond above. Follow it and you won’t go far wrong.

Personally, I don’t bother with the zone parcel numbering ( A1, B1, etc). I tell the PDA to split into two zones and just number them sequentially, 1 to 120 or whatever. I load 10 parcels to a row, with the highest numbers being at the front of the van (closest to side doors), with lowest numbers being at the back doors.

And make use of trays (Perstorps)! As well as holding several smaller packets, they can be used to section off the rear of the van so you can keep any collections etc separate from what you’re delivering.

Failing to prepare = preparing to fail.
Laiah24
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Re: Parcel Delivery Driver - brand new - manual or automatic

Post by Laiah24 »

@basildonbond!!! Wow. I wasn't expecting that, i mean such an amazing and detailed reply. That is amazing. Thanks very much mate. I really appreciate it.

I'm a bit nervous to be honest but will just have to see how it all pans out. Thanks very much. Honestly all of that info is great. I'm sure once I get going and know why I'm doing ill look back at this and understand it all. 😆 but honestly mate. I'm really grateful. Thanks.

And to @smoothbackground thanks for your comments too.

Appreciate it folks wish me luck. I might need it. Lol.
Smoothbackground wrote:
16 Nov 2024, 08:26
Some great advice from BasildonBond above. Follow it and you won’t go far wrong.

Personally, I don’t bother with the zone parcel numbering ( A1, B1, etc). I tell the PDA to split into two zones and just number them sequentially, 1 to 120 or whatever. I load 10 parcels to a row, with the highest numbers being at the front of the van (closest to side doors), with lowest numbers being at the back doors.

And make use of trays (Perstorps)! As well as holding several smaller packets, they can be used to section off the rear of the van so you can keep any collections etc separate from what you’re delivering.

Failing to prepare = preparing to fail.
Basildon Bond wrote:
16 Nov 2024, 05:09
Depends if your office has electric vans or not. Go down to the DO (delivery office) and look through the gates very early or very late (when the yard is full) and see what is in there or comes and goes.

Electric vans are obviously fully automatic. Otherwise, all the vans are manual diesels. The diesel van will have heavier clutch pedals than a petrol car. And if they are old or battered expect the clutch to bite anywhere in the range of pedal travel. We have Fiat vans than grind gears if you don't mash the pedal in to the floor and bite about a 1/4 inch off the floor.

Peugeot, Vauxhall, Mercs, VW Caddy - could be anything.

You'll need to be assessed by a qualified person before driving for RM - unless you are agency. It's call the "changeover". Ask them "do I need to do a changeover?", "is my changeover booked in?". It's a half day out with an instructor. Treat it like a driving test. Hands 10 to two, signalling correctly, maintain lane discipline at junctions and roundabouts etc., no speeding, no bad habits. Driving forwards and reversing. It may be bigger than you are use to so stay a little wider when turning so you don't clip curbs etc. They'll want you to inspect the van, lights working, horn, tyre thread (take a twenty pence coin with you - google it), washer fluid, doors work, seat belts work, no warning lights on the dash. Good luck find one that passes unless it's a new van!

It wouldn't be good to stall it five times before leaving the yard so some practice would be best. If you do stall it just don't lose control - brake, handbrake on, out of gear, ignition off and back on and restart the engine, into gear, mirror, signal, handbrake off, and proceed when safe.

Initially you may shadow someone else - however, you may get dumped on your own immediately. Expect to be given a York (a metal cage) full of parcels, a set of van keys, and a PDA (handheld computer like a phone) with the ability to scan barcodes. You'll need a login for the PDA - take a photo of it or write it down. Take a few working pens with you (clickable, who wants to be messing with pen caps) and a couple of sheets of paper (though you can take a few cards out of the back of any York in the yard that are "broken down" (their floor is lifted and the sides spread out and slotted together) if you need something to write on. Don't take a card out of a York inside the office or has "stuff" in it. Your may remove a label that is needed. You need a few pens because you'll lose them and you may want to give one to another new start who has not got one.

You'll need to ask someone how to scan parcels in and how to do a "van check" - don't let go of the PDA. Do it yourself with them explaining, not them doing it and handing the PDA back. You'll need the start mileage of the van initially and close off the van check with the end mileage when you finish.

Wear dark trousers or shorts. Cargo-like with thigh pockets. T-shirt or shirt (or two t-shirts) and a hoodie (black/ grey, even red!) if cold and ask for a RM vest. When they say are are none, tell them your saw a sign in the yard saying they must be worn in the yard and watch their face - if they laugh you may have some you can learn from, if they do anything else they could be trouble. Comfortable shoes - trainers or walking boots, whatever you prefer. Take a waterproof if it's raining - we don't stop for rain of any amount.

Once all the parcels are scanned to a particular code/route they will appear on the PDA in the order they should be delivered. The order will not be perfect but better than nothing if you don't know the area. Before pressing the "Depart Depot" button you can press a little toggle button and enable van loading and select the number of zones for the amount of parcels you have. You can they rescan ALL the parcels and write "F88", "D44", "B14", and "A1" on the label of the parcel. If you have eighty-eight parcels "F88" is your last drop/call and "A1" is your first. Throw all the parcels back into a York and wheel it to your van. Put all the F's in one pile, the E's next to them, D, C, B. For the A's order them neatly. Have A1, if not too big, on the passenger seat or available. Do your van check. Make sure you have plenty of cards (red P739 cards) and a pen. Set off without rushing. Take it slow and relax.

It's worth doing the van loading and writing the parcel number clearly and in large print (don't write over the barcode) while you're at the office in the warmth because it saves time when you're out and it's late, and dark, and cold, and raining, and you stopped on a road with cars zooming past your back side while you're throwing parcels around in the back of the van looking for the bl*ody thing - and needing the toilet.

On the PDA you'll have a list of drops. Swipe left two navigate to the location (it may not get you perfectly there when you have flats, an office block, or it's a light industrial unit but it should be close (though for some it's WAY off). Once you arrive, back out of the nav, and swipe right to "attend" the delivery. Take a photo without a face in it (open door, legs, etc.). If you miss a parcel when scanning them in or you want to rescan an parcel you can do than with the PDA - just press the button halfway down the right-hand side.

Good luck!
Laiah24
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Re: Parcel Delivery Driver - brand new - manual or automatic

Post by Laiah24 »

Sorry mate a other quick question @Basildonbond

Is it a Transit van or a Caddy kind of size van that i shoukd expect to be driving? Im thinking tbh to rent one for a few days.

Cheers thanks again appreciate it. 👍
Basildon Bond wrote:
16 Nov 2024, 05:09
Depends if your office has electric vans or not. Go down to the DO (delivery office) and look through the gates very early or very late (when the yard is full) and see what is in there or comes and goes.

Electric vans are obviously fully automatic. Otherwise, all the vans are manual diesels. The diesel van will have heavier clutch pedals than a petrol car. And if they are old or battered expect the clutch to bite anywhere in the range of pedal travel. We have Fiat vans than grind gears if you don't mash the pedal in to the floor and bite about a 1/4 inch off the floor.

Peugeot, Vauxhall, Mercs, VW Caddy - could be anything.

You'll need to be assessed by a qualified person before driving for RM - unless you are agency. It's call the "changeover". Ask them "do I need to do a changeover?", "is my changeover booked in?". It's a half day out with an instructor. Treat it like a driving test. Hands 10 to two, signalling correctly, maintain lane discipline at junctions and roundabouts etc., no speeding, no bad habits. Driving forwards and reversing. It may be bigger than you are use to so stay a little wider when turning so you don't clip curbs etc. They'll want you to inspect the van, lights working, horn, tyre thread (take a twenty pence coin with you - google it), washer fluid, doors work, seat belts work, no warning lights on the dash. Good luck find one that passes unless it's a new van!

It wouldn't be good to stall it five times before leaving the yard so some practice would be best. If you do stall it just don't lose control - brake, handbrake on, out of gear, ignition off and back on and restart the engine, into gear, mirror, signal, handbrake off, and proceed when safe.

Initially you may shadow someone else - however, you may get dumped on your own immediately. Expect to be given a York (a metal cage) full of parcels, a set of van keys, and a PDA (handheld computer like a phone) with the ability to scan barcodes. You'll need a login for the PDA - take a photo of it or write it down. Take a few working pens with you (clickable, who wants to be messing with pen caps) and a couple of sheets of paper (though you can take a few cards out of the back of any York in the yard that are "broken down" (their floor is lifted and the sides spread out and slotted together) if you need something to write on. Don't take a card out of a York inside the office or has "stuff" in it. Your may remove a label that is needed. You need a few pens because you'll lose them and you may want to give one to another new start who has not got one.

You'll need to ask someone how to scan parcels in and how to do a "van check" - don't let go of the PDA. Do it yourself with them explaining, not them doing it and handing the PDA back. You'll need the start mileage of the van initially and close off the van check with the end mileage when you finish.

Wear dark trousers or shorts. Cargo-like with thigh pockets. T-shirt or shirt (or two t-shirts) and a hoodie (black/ grey, even red!) if cold and ask for a RM vest. When they say are are none, tell them your saw a sign in the yard saying they must be worn in the yard and watch their face - if they laugh you may have some you can learn from, if they do anything else they could be trouble. Comfortable shoes - trainers or walking boots, whatever you prefer. Take a waterproof if it's raining - we don't stop for rain of any amount.

Once all the parcels are scanned to a particular code/route they will appear on the PDA in the order they should be delivered. The order will not be perfect but better than nothing if you don't know the area. Before pressing the "Depart Depot" button you can press a little toggle button and enable van loading and select the number of zones for the amount of parcels you have. You can they rescan ALL the parcels and write "F88", "D44", "B14", and "A1" on the label of the parcel. If you have eighty-eight parcels "F88" is your last drop/call and "A1" is your first. Throw all the parcels back into a York and wheel it to your van. Put all the F's in one pile, the E's next to them, D, C, B. For the A's order them neatly. Have A1, if not too big, on the passenger seat or available. Do your van check. Make sure you have plenty of cards (red P739 cards) and a pen. Set off without rushing. Take it slow and relax.

It's worth doing the van loading and writing the parcel number clearly and in large print (don't write over the barcode) while you're at the office in the warmth because it saves time when you're out and it's late, and dark, and cold, and raining, and you stopped on a road with cars zooming past your back side while you're throwing parcels around in the back of the van looking for the bl*ody thing - and needing the toilet.

On the PDA you'll have a list of drops. Swipe left two navigate to the location (it may not get you perfectly there when you have flats, an office block, or it's a light industrial unit but it should be close (though for some it's WAY off). Once you arrive, back out of the nav, and swipe right to "attend" the delivery. Take a photo without a face in it (open door, legs, etc.). If you miss a parcel when scanning them in or you want to rescan an parcel you can do than with the PDA - just press the button halfway down the right-hand side.

Good luck!
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Laiah24 wrote:
17 Nov 2024, 16:06
Sorry mate a other quick question @Basildonbond

Is it a Transit van or a Caddy kind of size van that i shoukd expect to be driving? Im thinking tbh to rent one for a few days.

Cheers thanks again appreciate it. 👍
You could be in something as small as a Vauxhall Combi (size of a Vauxhall Corsa car but converted into a van) or a much larger van like an Expert or Dispatch (which is getting closer to Transit size).

It's up to you if you want to hire one for a day or two. If you do, don't spend too much money - any diesel manual experience would help if you have been driving an automatic for a while. And honestly... a crappy second-hand million-miles van would be better practice than a posh, light-clutched, modern hire van with just a few hundred or thousand miles on the clock. If the seats are worn and the pedals shiny - that's more the level to aim for.

Maybe look at someone selling an old van locally - perhaps a car dealer with a few vans in. Go over, kick the tyres and ask for a test drive - say you want to check it at 60 mph as you get to drive in through town and out to a motorway or dual carriageway and back. Costs nothing and you can gauge your ability too.
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My post isn't probably that relevant to you as i've been working for an agency for a couple of months, you will get a device (pda) that has your daily info on it, vehicle check, route and other features.
You will pick it up in no time, i turn up and scan onto the pda around 60-80 parcels, you then let the pda work the route out and you will end up numbering your parcels 1-80 and before you leave the depot you press depart and that's you on your way to drop number 1, great for established roads but new builds are a nightmare. More often than not it shows you as a red dot driving in a field.
I use my phone at these times as google maps is ahead in this regard and got me to places i just couldn't find.

As for the van i've only been given diesels (manual) which i prefer anyway, i've had caddy maxi, Peugeot expert, fiat doblo hightop that another agency lad got stuck in the back of, until a member of the public heard his banging lol.

Good luck.
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@Spacetout thats great, thanks for that information and taking time to reply. Apprecaite it.
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Basildon Bond wrote:
18 Nov 2024, 05:12
Laiah24 wrote:
17 Nov 2024, 16:06
Sorry mate a other quick question @Basildonbond

Is it a Transit van or a Caddy kind of size van that i shoukd expect to be driving? Im thinking tbh to rent one for a few days.

Cheers thanks again appreciate it. 👍
You could be in something as small as a Vauxhall Combi (size of a Vauxhall Corsa car but converted into a van) or a much larger van like an Expert or Dispatch (which is getting closer to Transit size).

It's up to you if you want to hire one for a day or two. If you do, don't spend too much money - any diesel manual experience would help if you have been driving an automatic for a while. And honestly... a crappy second-hand million-miles van would be better practice than a posh, light-clutched, modern hire van with just a few hundred or thousand miles on the clock. If the seats are worn and the pedals shiny - that's more the level to aim for.

Maybe look at someone selling an old van locally - perhaps a car dealer with a few vans in. Go over, kick the tyres and ask for a test drive - say you want to check it at 60 mph as you get to drive in through town and out to a motorway or dual carriageway and back. Costs nothing and you can gauge your ability too.
Thasnk also @BasildonBond all such great advice
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Space-tout wrote:
05 Dec 2024, 22:44
My post isn't probably that relevant to you as i've been working for an agency for a couple of months, you will get a device (pda) that has your daily info on it, vehicle check, route and other features.
You will pick it up in no time, i turn up and scan onto the pda around 60-80 parcels, you then let the pda work the route out and you will end up numbering your parcels 1-80 and before you leave the depot you press depart and that's you on your way to drop number 1, great for established roads but new builds are a nightmare. More often than not it shows you as a red dot driving in a field.
I use my phone at these times as google maps is ahead in this regard and got me to places i just couldn't find.

As for the van i've only been given diesels (manual) which i prefer anyway, i've had caddy maxi, Peugeot expert, fiat doblo hightop that another agency lad got stuck in the back of, until a member of the public heard his banging lol.

Good luck.
Thasnk very much for htat information and taking time to reply, soudnds great. Thanks @Spacetout
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All our Xmas newbies have been told they can only drive small Doblo or Partner type vans until they've been officially assessed, assuming that's the company's stance nationwide I wouldn't worry too much about having to drive an Expert or similar sized van.
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Basildon Bond wrote:
16 Nov 2024, 05:09
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Thank you for this very informative post.