clocks going back

[clashcityrocker]

Funnily enough we had exactly these conversations when we moved to a single daily delivery.
Instead of delivering between 7 and 9.30 we weren't starting until 9.30.

But guess what? The world didn't end despite the many claims that it would.

[Mr Rush]

Funnily enough we had exactly these conversations when we moved to a single daily delivery.
Instead of delivering between 7 and 9.30 we weren't starting until 9.30.

But guess what? The world didn't end despite the many claims that it would.

Like the fall of Rome, the end is an ongoing process. No-one saw The Forum turn into a sheep pasture within their own lifetime, though plenty of colleagues have seen this service go to s**t before reaching retirement age.

[Barnacle]

Funnily enough we had exactly these conversations when we moved to a single daily delivery.
Instead of delivering between 7 and 9.30 we weren't starting until 9.30.

But guess what? The world didn't end despite the many claims that it would.

Like the fall of Rome, the end is an ongoing process. No-one saw The Forum turn into a sheep pasture within their own lifetime, though plenty of colleagues have seen this service go to s**t before reaching retirement age.

Bahhh. Also, the way they keep bumping the times of everything along in the day, surely at some point everything will roll over to the next day, adding a day to delivery times? If that made sense?

[LouBarlow]

That's what I meant, people decided they valued the back pay more than fighting the s**t we find ourselves stuck with now,. Even though they knew what lay ahead

You seem to be misremembering the situation as I for one certainly lost a ton of money when I was on the picket line. We did fight, but we lost.

As to the clocks changing. I think it is inherently more dangerous for people doing rural deliveries, which seems particularly problematic in Scottish offices with their later finish times now, which seem to be on another scale compared to the rest of us. People finishing between 3-4pm its not that big a deal. We have had finishes in that range for years now and nobody has died or got lost in the dark.

[Barnacle]

Working in the dark is absolutely fine, if you know the walk or the parcel area. If you don’t, the whole thing takes longer because you can’t see house numbers and satnav rarely takes you to the exact door.

[Mr Rush]

Working in the dark is absolutely fine, if you know the walk or the parcel area. If you don’t, the whole thing takes longer because you can’t see house numbers and satnav rarely takes you to the exact door.

Long ago I was out several times at 5PM during Christmas (when running over your time that badly meant hitting the 10 hour OT cap very quickly). I knew the walk and the whole thing took longer just due to an inability to see, even with the torch, to the standard that you're used to in daylight. Last time it happened over ten years ago on a P&L duty we abandoned delivery due to safety, per the powers invested in us by dynamic risk assessment.

My eternal love to the union and the company for agreeing mid season on the 23rd of December. Maybe that twenty minutes earlier finish on Christmas Eve will instill goodwill in me

[Barnacle]

Working in the dark is absolutely fine, if you know the walk or the parcel area. If you don’t, the whole thing takes longer because you can’t see house numbers and satnav rarely takes you to the exact door.

Long ago I was out several times at 5PM during Christmas (when running over your time that badly meant hitting the 10 hour OT cap very quickly). I knew the walk and the whole thing took longer just due to an inability to see, even with the torch, to the standard that you're used to in daylight. Last time it happened over ten years ago on a P&L duty we abandoned delivery due to safety, per the powers invested in us by dynamic risk assessment.

My eternal love to the union and the company for agreeing mid season on the 23rd of December. Maybe that twenty minutes earlier finish on Christmas Eve will instill goodwill in me

Street lighting is a joke. It is more dangerous, from unseen steps to other drivers.

There’s an argument to start a couple of hours earlier to take advantage of as much daylight as possible.

[LouBarlow]

We were working in the dark when I first started. Still managed to get the job done and we were out for longer than you would be if you finish at 3.30pm. I get it, we all signed up for the early starts, but I’d rather people just say they are pissed off about working almost regular office hours now, rather than make up H&S worries.

[Barnacle]

The first time I did overtime in the dark I discovered I couldn’t see to read the addresses even under street lighting, couldn’t read in the van because most of the vans didn’t have a working interior light. That’s a pretty basic requirement for working in the dark. I wore glasses and had bifocals but it was my night vision that was the issue. And so for a couple of years I simply didn’t do overtime when winter came.

It wasn’t until I switched to contacts that I was able to see to read. So for some, night vision is an issue.

[TopperGas]

The first time I did overtime in the dark I discovered I couldn’t see to read the addresses even under street lighting, couldn’t read in the van because most of the vans didn’t have a working interior light. That’s a pretty basic requirement for working in the dark. I wore glasses and had bifocals but it was my night vision that was the issue. And so for a couple of years I simply didn’t do overtime when winter came.

It wasn’t until I switched to contacts that I was able to see to read. So for some, night vision is an issue.

Shortly after I joined RM I was spent to another office and asked to clear a round which hadn't been out for most of the week, I was doing OK until it suddenly went dark and without a head torch it became virtually impossible to read the addressees on the letters etc nor the house numbers, as you've mentioned most of the Doblo's no longer have working interior lights so you can't even use them to read the addressees.

If you know the duty well then it's not an issue, go to duty your not familiar with and it's a complete nightmare.

[norris9]

safety first - surely if you cannot see where you are going - you cannot deliver...

Risks:

-Loose dogs you cannot see.
-Trip hazards.
-One house I know of has a pond in front of their door, you have to walk round it to get to the door. In the dark someone's going to fall into it.
-One house I know has an exposed 'pit' where the basement window is, with no guard rail or grid to stop you falling down.

Once it's too dark to deliver safely - bring it back.