Who believes mail volumes are falling?

[DGP1]

I'll say this once more for the hard of understanding - MAIL VOLUMES HAVE GONE UP 25% SINCE SDD IN MY DO. Now is that so hard to comprehend, it's not less postmen doing the work or the duties increasing in size but an increase in mail volumes (that is unless my DO is that rare and endangered species that has more work to do)

[L Tommo]

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And of course MC managers never fiddle the figures do they?

The processed mail figures don't come via the MCM, they come from a WAN called ADC (Automation Data Control) direct from the machines, with a local manual collection back-up team normally made up of light duty posties and/or part-time clerical staff in case of power failures etc.

So unless the WAN has been hacked, and all 70-odd MCs back-up teams infiltrated and corrupted, and all produce the same sets of stats, the figures are correct.

Incidentally, why would any MCM understate his throughput?
More mail through= more staff= bigger budget, so if anything, they would overstate, if that were possible.

WELL IVE GOT PROOF THIS IS WOT HAPPENED... Its just another effort to change where change wasnt needed... When has common sense ever been used from RM SCREWS????

I tell ya when.... WHEN THE w*****s AT THE TOP LEAVE AND NOT BEFORE.. ALL THE UNDERLINGS STOP BELIEVING THE SPIN AND BULLSHITE (Big Als words) THATS WHEN...

A COMPUTER of any type can only give out figures that a manual worker puts in the formula...

OTHER WORDS... SCREWS MAKE THE FIGURES LOOK ROSEY...

OUT...

FECK EM... :lfo :cfo

[L Tommo]

Disgruntled mate i totally believe you wot you say.. But RM disreguard figures when it dont work for them in cutting hrs...

We all know the weight of letters, flats and mail in general is heavyer now.. IE.. plastics and sky mags nearly d2d in some ereas.. everything is bigger and this is were i feel RM never take into account the weight to amount to ratio this has... Do our job by H&S rules 16ks per bag and less as bags go on.. 11k ----ect.. Sorting up a sky mag in a MC is great and makes the figures look better but then at a DO It loses its amount to time ratio because us posties have to carry the bastards about... It might seem that its less in number but its not in weight and time consumed to deliver...

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[axeman]

Does't take much to work out the agenda of some posters bearing in mind they have to be on the dark side

doesn't mater what spin you try to put on it the mail HAS increased in the last decade and has year on year

[Night Tonic]

zzzzzzzzzz

[L Tommo]

Night Tonic.... If you need a kip? FECK OFF TO BED SON... This aint a flop house for waif n strays sonny...

FECK ME!!!

I thought we were past the sniping and back stabbing comments.. Silly little ZZZZZZZ Makes people pissed off when they are passionate about something....

I feel YOU are the boring one and YOU bring most threads down with the same kind of opinion...

STICK THAT IN YA PIPE...

out

[baldrick]

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And of course MC managers never fiddle the figures do they?

The processed mail figures don't come via the MCM, they come from a WAN called ADC (Automation Data Control) direct from the machines, with a local manual collection back-up team normally made up of light duty posties and/or part-time clerical staff in case of power failures etc.

So unless the WAN has been hacked, and all 70-odd MCs back-up teams infiltrated and corrupted, and all produce the same sets of stats, the figures are correct.

Incidentally, why would any MCM understate his throughput?
More mail through= more staff= bigger budget, so if anything, they would overstate, if that were possible.

The machines don't record non-machinable letters and flats, or packets which seem to increase continually with online purchasing.

And if the mech processed mail IS falling that might have something to do with increasing DSA which still has to
be processed and delivered by RM employees.

MC Managers might want to show diminishing traffic figures to justify cutting staffing levels and hourage which will mean a bigger bonus for the managers.

[Night Tonic]

Night Tonic.... If you need a kip? FECK OFF TO BED SON... This aint a flop house for waif n strays sonny...

FECK ME!!!

I thought we were past the sniping and back stabbing comments.. Silly little ZZZZZZZ Makes people pissed off when they are passionate about something....

I feel YOU are the boring one and YOU bring most threads down with the same kind of opinion...

STICK THAT IN YA PIPE...

out

Just a different opinion - with respect

[Tman]

The machines don't record non-machinable letters and flats, or packets which seem to increase continually with online purchasing.

Indeed they are, but non-machinables etc are still a very small percentage of the total, and cannot affect the mail throughputs to any great degree.

And if the mech processed mail IS falling that might have something to do with increasing DSA which still has to
be processed and delivered by RM employees.

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MC Managers might want to show diminishing traffic figures to justify cutting staffing levels and hourage which will mean a bigger bonus for the managers

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Been through this one already. The MCMs don't have access to the stats at any input stages.

[baldrick]

Non machinable items might be a small percentage of the total mail in your MC, but in Mount Pleasant, the
majority of incoming International Mail is non machinable, and we are receiving increasing amounts of
online purchased packet mail from places like Hong Kong.

My point about DSA is that as I understand it DSA mail comes in presorted and does not go through RM
machines and would not show up on your figures. Correct me if I have got that wrong, I haven't worked
on the Mech for over 20 years, and I don't think we actually get much if any DSA mail at Mount Pleasant.

[POSTMAN]

One day the DSM were giving us grief about cutting off,he said the traffic figure for the day we cut off was 15,000.
Which worked out that each walk on average had 500 letters to deliver.
Each walk has 500-550 calls,you work that crock of s**t out.

Ok then i'll quote my previous post then.
When me and my guys are standing in front of a bulging frame and the screws are saying that with the figures they've got,i should only have 500 letters in it and that it's an easy day!

So how does this happen then,in all seriousness something is wrong aint it

[DGP1]

I think we have to look at MC figures as RIRO as any of us who've worked with computers know

[Tman]

I think we have to look at MC figures as RIRO as any of us who've worked with computers know

Ok then, this tack is obviously always going to have the similar reply as above.
How about the fact that the automation usage is down, easily and instantly verifiable by anyone who works across the three shift patterns, but especially lates and earlies?
Maybe someone's speeded up all the machines and operators, and they now clear the work in half the time?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I think we have to look at MC figures as RIRO as any of us who've worked with computers know

I used know it as CICO but yours is more polite.

[Phantom]

Some simple maths for certain people on this forum:-

5 years ago I had 900 items to deliver

5 years later I have 1200 items to deliver

So its a 300 item increase!

If I had 600 items to deliver then this would be a 300 item decrease!

Does that make sense??????????

Not in any real sense.
This (and all the other posts saying similar) reminds me of the old joke about the goldfish in a bowl in the desert, saying "what water shortage? I don't see a water shortage".
93+% of mail has passed through the postal mech to get to the DOs. If that same mech doesn't run for as long, or process as much mail as it did maybe two years ago, then volumes have gone down. End of.
TNT, ExpressMail and the rest don't have postal mech in any real sense (a couple of IMPs for plan breakdowns doesn't count) so basically every letter delivered has passed through RM automation at some point, and therefore counted, and that count is down.
Does that make sense?????

Don't be so stupid