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The CWU has to be more vocal about this useless Board
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Tman
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Re: The CWU has to be more vocal about this useless Board
Mostly because the franchises/companies failed. Nothing to do with union involvement or pressure from employees.
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tramssirhc
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Re: The CWU has to be more vocal about this useless Board
The RMT has never stopped campaigning for renationalisation. They say it loud and proud.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
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richietns
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Re: The CWU has to be more vocal about this useless Board
Did Labour at some point think it was corbyn said he would renationalize RM.
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Barnacle
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Re: The CWU has to be more vocal about this useless Board
Think Corbyn did say that but he was going to renationalise everything that had been sold off and could basically say he would do anything because he was never going to have to keep any promises because he was unelectable.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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postslippete
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What are the Unions paying Labour for? In Labour's 2019 manifesto under Corbyn they were committed to bringing rail, mail, water and energy into public ownership, but Starmer and his sidekick Rachel Reeves withheld their endorsement and abandoned all plans to nationalise key industries if it wins the next election. They are basically Tories in disguise as they say 'there is no money for it' and they want businesses to make profits and leave it up to them to decide what to do with the profits. We are at the mercy of a vulture capitalist and we will likely face ongoing attacks to our terms and cons in the near future.
What we desperately need is a mass workers party that puts Unions at the centre for nationalising mail, transport etc funding our services and taking the wealth and resources off the bosses and putting them in our hands.
What we desperately need is a mass workers party that puts Unions at the centre for nationalising mail, transport etc funding our services and taking the wealth and resources off the bosses and putting them in our hands.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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Barnacle
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There is a Worker’s Party isn’t there?
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Tman
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Yep, there's the Monster Raving Loony Party too, if you want to vote for no-hopers.
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Barnacle
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I’ve already voted so I’ve missed my chance. I’m sure their manifesto was amazeballs.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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TopperGas
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I think that's Labour's plan, well it is until they are elected and then realise the costs involved, or a train co. threatens legal action, and then it'll be quietly dropped.tramssirhc wrote: ↑17 Jun 2024, 15:47The RMT has never stopped campaigning for renationalisation. They say it loud and proud.
Same with workers having any say in the running of RM.
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Mr Rush
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I can hear "there is no alternative" in my head.postslippete wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 20:36They are basically Tories in disguise as they say 'there is no money for it' and they want businesses to make profits and leave it up to them to decide what to do with the profits.
Labour, in positioning themselves wholly and simply as more competent at executing economic orthodoxy than the current crop of Conservatives (cf. Truss), reveal that they agree with the Conservative's self perception as 'the natural party of government' in Britain and that Labour, as caretakers, absolutely cannot redecorate. The white hot heat of 'things can only get samer'!
The machine stops.
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postslippete
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Mr Rush wrote: ↑21 Jun 2024, 21:20
I can hear "there is no alternative" in my head.
Labour, in positioning themselves wholly and simply as more competent at executing economic orthodoxy than the current crop of Conservatives (cf. Truss), reveal that they agree with the Conservative's self perception as 'the natural party of government' in Britain and that Labour, as caretakers, absolutely cannot redecorate. The white hot heat of 'things can only get samer'!
It's a shame that Labour and the Tory party totally dominate the polls and we may need a revolution in this country before any other political party gets a look in. I personally like the manifesto of the Green Party even though I know they won't be elected. They want a repeal of the current anti-union legislation, an increase in min wage to £15 an hour, equal employment rights for all workers and a move to a 4 day working week.
But above all while our public services are crying out for investment - the number of billionaires in the UK has massively increased since 2010. Taxing the wealthy who have assets above £10 million would seriously help to redistribute the wealth in the UK, make work pay and increase overall living standards for the majority of us. If we are serious about getting rid of Privatisation and committing to the public ownership of public services as well as tackling climate change and protecting our environment for future generations, then this is the Party for the future. The Green Party have been around for a long time and it has only been in recent years that governments have been talking about the commitment to net zero. This party is well ahead of its time imho.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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LouBarlow
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You will never have a political revolution in this country, until all the old right-wing gammons die out. That is why Starmer has shifted to centre-right as he realised early on, it was the only way to get elected in this largely right-wing still country. If anything, there is a danger of the country shifting further right after this election, given the rise of the hobgoblin Farage’s reform party. There is a reason he is deliberately targeting the ‘youth’ on TikTok as generally young folk are left-leaning naturally, and he is looking to indoctrinate young folk early on, to replace the old immigrant-hating pensioners who he knows he will have to replace going forward.
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Geordiepapa
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Re: The CWU has to be more vocal about this useless Board
You could say the same of almost any company/business (e.g. supermarkets), that they are providing a service to the public.
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sounds
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Re: The CWU has to be more vocal about this useless Board
Where do I start.
The CWU should be putting more effort into this rather than the election which they seem to be pre-occupied with, when that is almost a forgone conclusion.
WE pay them to represent US not just when they want to but all the time. (Two Reps in my office have resigned one as the area reps took no notice of the local issues We have no reps in the office now)
They lost their bottle during the strike and as for the legal advice they took during that time well, seems just as bad as the PO did on Horizon. How they allowed for that ridiculous agreement to go through and recommend it I will never understand.
I find it amusing there seems more support in the Daily Mail for keeping us as a UK company than from the CWU.
However moving forward they are all we have for now and they do need to do their jobs. This deal is far from a forgone conclusion, honestly I don't think it will go through unless the Tory's win the election and that just isnt going to happen.
It will cost Labour much more in their term if they allow the sale to go through and thats if they get 75% voting for it. Think of it like this IF the Board doesnt get 75% to approve the deal they will probably have to resign so could be a win win. At the very least a vote of no-confidence in them.
If you receive your AGM voting papers through, vote accordingly to your feelings on re-appointment of the board and their pay which can be rejected - If memory serves me right it was close to 10% last year and that with us having 5% of the shares its not just us unhappy with the board.
The CWU should be putting more effort into this rather than the election which they seem to be pre-occupied with, when that is almost a forgone conclusion.
WE pay them to represent US not just when they want to but all the time. (Two Reps in my office have resigned one as the area reps took no notice of the local issues We have no reps in the office now)
They lost their bottle during the strike and as for the legal advice they took during that time well, seems just as bad as the PO did on Horizon. How they allowed for that ridiculous agreement to go through and recommend it I will never understand.
I find it amusing there seems more support in the Daily Mail for keeping us as a UK company than from the CWU.
However moving forward they are all we have for now and they do need to do their jobs. This deal is far from a forgone conclusion, honestly I don't think it will go through unless the Tory's win the election and that just isnt going to happen.
It will cost Labour much more in their term if they allow the sale to go through and thats if they get 75% voting for it. Think of it like this IF the Board doesnt get 75% to approve the deal they will probably have to resign so could be a win win. At the very least a vote of no-confidence in them.
If you receive your AGM voting papers through, vote accordingly to your feelings on re-appointment of the board and their pay which can be rejected - If memory serves me right it was close to 10% last year and that with us having 5% of the shares its not just us unhappy with the board.
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yellowbelly
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Sorry to disappoint, but even after the industrial dispute we had, at the last AGM the votes 'for' approval of the Directors remuneration report and remuneration policy were 99.18 % and 97.88 % respectively.sounds wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 14:33
If you receive your AGM voting papers through, vote accordingly to your feelings on re-appointment of the board and their pay which can be rejected - If memory serves me right it was close to 10% last year and that with us having 5% of the shares its not just us unhappy with the board.
The lowest 'for' % vote to re-elect directors was Baroness Hogg at 93.94 %.