Who believes mail volumes are falling?

[dogfood]

WTF

Mail volume is based on what RM do in business, not what you carry.

Everything I carry IS RM business isn't it?

The words and numbers can be manipulated to give any impression they want. The simple truth from where I stand is that mail volume has increased and profits are down due to some tosser agreeing to provide a service to the private sector at a cost RM can't sustain. Along with paying over the top bonuses to people at the top of RM who appear to want nothing other than RM to disintegrate.

Just my opinion from the rural office

[Night Tonic]

Sure, but how does that change? No its not all RM business- we're getting the tail end on a lot of it. Either way we're losing more business. RM bosses need to hire the right people to market what we're good at and bring inbetter products. Postcomm are saying we're sunk unless we do nd to be honest they're right.

[Phantom]

NightTonic your missing the point. We all know RM has lost business to DSA, this will never stop due the engineering of a liberalised postal market. The poll is about how many items of mail we are now delivering to say 5 or 6 years ago and has the mail volume increased and the answer is YES whether TNT, UKMAIL etc. supply that mail through DSA is totally irrelevant to delivery staff. If I've gone from delivering 900 items a day to 1200 items a day then this is an increase in volume.

[POSTMAN]

Night Tonic,take Hellmails articles out of your arse and read the the thread properly,read the post above as well.
Jeeeeze man can you never give a straight answer!!

[Night Tonic]

No:)

[Tman]

and has the mail volume increased and the answer is YES whether TNT, UKMAIL etc. supply that mail through DSA is totally irrelevant to delivery staff. If I've gone from delivering 900 items a day to 1200 items a day then this is an increase in volume.

With respect, that's not a particularly useful indicator.
We (as in RM staff) are not concerned with how many letters are being processed and delivered every day country-wide by all the operators, but how big the percentage of that amount is processed by RM.
How many bags you take out is not a reliable guide to that percentage.

[norbert]

I didn't vote either way, but the mail volumes through the machines is falling, no doubt about it.
Where a couple of years ago the automation was running at full capacity from Monday 1pm to Saturday 5pm, now there are days mid-week where only half the machines are even staffed.
The graphs of machine throughputs produced daily, weekly and monthly all show a fall over the recent past, although the total automated percentage is rising steadily, especially inward walk-sort.
How or why this could apparently translate to more work at the DOs I have no idea, but the reduction of overall mail volumes is very real.

The only possible answer is some mail is not being recorded or put through any machinery but the picture in DO's is very different, we are REALLY seeing more mail, there is no sign whatsoever in DO's that mail volumes are falling and I'm not just saying this, this is a fact. DO's must be manually sorting mail that the MC's should be doing resulting in less mail for MC's.

Got it in one -it's the collapsing stack of cards effect -first you lose the trains , then there's problems putting everything through Daventry on the wagons with the Transport Review to save money , which means everything comes in later , RM have nominated silly shifts for AG's 12-5 , 2-10AM ! that nobody wanted for some reason ! ,SDD caused problems , MC's are badly geared , too much 2C , & rubbish gets mixed in with first class , figures fiddled as we all know , "Our new way of working " is more like Our Theatrical Farce , as nothing is set up .

RM don't care it's get the stuff out of the building , failure after failure , there's no coordination in the waves and workflow .

On INTRA everything got sorted primary & secondary to walks , then MC's lost DO work on nights , then the DO's lost nights , all to save money but it doesn't always work

Every Christmas RM gets bitten on the arse with it's cuts -permanent crisis mode

I've spoken to staff who have worked for Parcelfarce and the other parcel firms , I've worked on newspapers and logistics and to put it mildly noone's impressed with Royal Mail , Board & Senior Mgt are mediocre , Middle Mgt is weak but that's no surprise eh ?

[Night Tonic]

and has the mail volume increased and the answer is YES whether TNT, UKMAIL etc. supply that mail through DSA is totally irrelevant to delivery staff. If I've gone from delivering 900 items a day to 1200 items a day then this is an increase in volume.

With respect, that's not a particularly useful indicator.
We (as in RM staff) are not concerned with how many letters are being processed and delivered every day country-wide by all the operators, but how big the percentage of that amount is processed by RM.
How many bags you take out is not a reliable guide to that percentage.

Indeed Tman but still don't think many on here have grasped that what THEY see as mail volume is NOT what RM accounts regard as mail volume and is the one thing everyone keeps moaning about - ie "They say mail volume is down but not on my walk it isn't".

A lot of what we carry (heavy as it is) is 'fluff' in financial terms. There is mail volume, and the amount we carry - two different things. So if you ask 'has mail volume fallen' - it categorically has. If you ask 'are we carrying more' - could well be. Depends what walk and where.

[dogfood]

Tman and Night Tonic are displaying the blind idiotic attitude of management and accountants. They are both only looking at numbers and not the reality happening all around them.

If I am holding 6 cards in my hand but I write on a sheet of paper or input into the computer that I am only holding 2 cards. They would ignore the fact that I have 6 cards in my hand and swear blind that as the computer or paper states it is 2 then 2 it is.

[dogfood]

Are we at cross purposes here? By mail volume do you mean the value (financial) of mail as opposed to the quantity of mail.

If so I refer you back to my earlier point about negotiating a deal to provide a service to the private sector at a cost that RM can't sustain.

[Night Tonic]

Are we at cross purposes here? By mail volume do you mean the value (financial) of mail as opposed to the quantity of mail.

If so I refer you back to my earlier point about negotiating a deal to provide a service to the private sector at a cost that RM can't sustain.

Duh - as if no one has noticed.........

Thats a subject on its own.

[DGP1]

Who invited cantwipeandshites back into the adults conversation

[pinstripe]

and has the mail volume increased and the answer is YES whether TNT, UKMAIL etc. supply that mail through DSA is totally irrelevant to delivery staff. If I've gone from delivering 900 items a day to 1200 items a day then this is an increase in volume.

With respect, that's not a particularly useful indicator.
We (as in RM staff) are not concerned with how many letters are being processed and delivered every day country-wide by all the operators, but how big the percentage of that amount is processed by RM.
How many bags you take out is not a reliable guide to that percentage.

Indeed Tman but still don't think many on here have grasped that what THEY see as mail volume is NOT what RM accounts regard as mail volume and is the one thing everyone keeps moaning about - ie "They say mail volume is down but not on my walk it isn't".

A lot of what we carry (heavy as it is) is 'fluff' in financial terms. There is mail volume, and the amount we carry - two different things. So if you ask 'has mail volume fallen' - it categorically has. If you ask 'are we carrying more' - could well be. Depends what walk and where.

Ask any postie or member of the public to explain the term 'falling mail volumes' and they will say that it implies that there is less. Not that the monetary value is lower, not that it is 'fluff' and not if it is what we consider to be mail. Mail is what the postman delivers. End of argument. We are told we are delivering less and RM use this as an excuse to reduce our terms and conditions. That is what and why RM continually declare that mail volumes are falling. It is a lie and no matter how you try to disguise it either by using accounting terms or by outright dishonesty, the volume of mail we are delivering has increased and therefore we are carrying more.

As to what RM regard as mail volume, I wouldn't believe them if they told me it was raining. Too many times have they lied to us.

[DirtyHarry]

Have mass cut offs m8, they bwill only come for savings if you gimps keep coming in for free !!!!
You dont see a miner turning out coal in his own time.

Exactly what i said ages ago Read with a welsh accent please. " Oh i'm just of down the pit. I know i will be early but i can knock out half a ton maybe before my start time" Or a bus driver starting half an hour early. " I'll just nip down the road and see if anyone wants to get to work early" Fools that start before your time read and weep? You will be the losers in the end.

it will twig with you twats one day...........thats why theirs no f***ing miner left

so whose the real losers ..miners or the coal board...posties or royal mail group

The British public. Fewer jobs for us, and our children.........A poor excuse of a postal service, which in reality, will become nothing more than a cash cow
for executives.
Did you see the latest private enterprise fiasco, terminal 5, on the news?.........Boy, did I laugh at those capitalist clowns, and the absolute saddos who
idolise them.

[DGP1]

and has the mail volume increased and the answer is YES whether TNT, UKMAIL etc. supply that mail through DSA is totally irrelevant to delivery staff. If I've gone from delivering 900 items a day to 1200 items a day then this is an increase in volume.

With respect, that's not a particularly useful indicator.
We (as in RM staff) are not concerned with how many letters are being processed and delivered every day country-wide by all the operators, but how big the percentage of that amount is processed by RM.
How many bags you take out is not a reliable guide to that percentage.

Indeed Tman but still don't think many on here have grasped that what THEY see as mail volume is NOT what RM accounts regard as mail volume and is the one thing everyone keeps moaning about - ie "They say mail volume is down but not on my walk it isn't".

A lot of what we carry (heavy as it is) is 'fluff' in financial terms. There is mail volume, and the amount we carry - two different things. So if you ask 'has mail volume fallen' - it categorically has. If you ask 'are we carrying more' - could well be. Depends what walk and where.

Ask any postie or member of the public to explain the term 'falling mail volumes' and they will say that it implies that there is less. Not that the monetary value is lower, not that it is 'fluff' and not if it is what we consider to be mail. Mail is what the postman delivers. End of argument. We are told we are delivering less and RM use this as an excuse to reduce our terms and conditions. That is what and why RM continually declare that mail volumes are falling. It is a lie and no matter how you try to disguise it either by using accounting terms or by outright dishonesty, the volume of mail we are delivering has increased and therefore we are carrying more.

As to what RM regard as mail volume, I wouldn't believe them if they told me it was raining. Too many times have they lied to us.

I'd like my pension volume to fall like the mail volume