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Can management contact the DVLA?

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makingsounds
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Can management contact the DVLA?

Post by makingsounds »

If an OPG who drives to work but doesn't drive for Royal Mail is told he is required to drive for the business, can management call the DVLA if the OPG says he isn't confident enough or is too nervous to drive Royal Mail vehicles and report him, jeopardising his personal licence?
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Re: Can management contact the DVLA?

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makingsounds wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 11:01
If an OPG who drives to work but doesn't drive for Royal Mail is told he is required to drive for the business, can management call the DVLA if the OPG says he isn't confident enough or is too nervous to drive Royal Mail vehicles and report him, jeopardising his personal licence?
No. But it is hard to justify not driving if you were employed on the basis of being a driver and are completely able to drive yourself to work. ‘Not being confident’ is invalid if you drive to work. You gain confidence by doing the driving.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: Can management contact the DVLA?

Post by derricksmyth »

What about the fact, not being able to view out of a rear window when driving a van. It can effect confidence for some drivers?
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Re: Can management contact the DVLA?

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derricksmyth wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 16:27
What about the fact, not being able to view out of a rear window when driving a van. It can effect confidence for some drivers?
I don’t know why you would get a job with a company that exclusively uses vans that it will expect you to drive in order to do said job, if you are unwilling to drive the vans and gain confidence while doing so?
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: Can management contact the DVLA?

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It will depend how long he has been in the job and what contract he is on.
derricksmyth
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Re: Can management contact the DVLA?

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Barnacle wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 16:51
derricksmyth wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 16:27
What about the fact, not being able to view out of a rear window when driving a van. It can effect confidence for some drivers?
I don’t know why you would get a job with a company that exclusively uses vans that it will expect you to drive in order to do said job, if you are unwilling to drive the vans and gain confidence while doing so?
True, but maybe they have 20 plus years service and driving wasn't a condition of service when they joined?
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Re: Can management contact the DVLA?

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derricksmyth wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 18:14
Barnacle wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 16:51
derricksmyth wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 16:27
What about the fact, not being able to view out of a rear window when driving a van. It can effect confidence for some drivers?
I don’t know why you would get a job with a company that exclusively uses vans that it will expect you to drive in order to do said job, if you are unwilling to drive the vans and gain confidence while doing so?
True, but maybe they have 20 plus years service and driving wasn't a condition of service when they joined?
It’s the fact that they are driving themselves to work that makes the notion of not driving when at work due to a ‘lack of confidence’ seem implausible. Maybe they view the drivers job as being harder and want a get out clause?
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: Can management contact the DVLA?

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another s**t-show from RM and CWU.

there's plenty of people employed as a "driver" and then pick a non-driving duty when theres a re-pick.

but i as a non-driver can't pick a "driving" duty

DISGRACE
enskied
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Re: Can management contact the DVLA?

Post by enskied »

A bit of an odd one. If said driver has done the change over and qualified for the job as a driving postie and now is refusing to drive there's an issue.
We have a few sat on non driving duties who kick scream and spit the dummy out when told they have to.

If the driver is saying that he or she is unfit mentally to drive then yes that should be reported not to do so puts others at risk.
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Re: Can management contact the DVLA?

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derricksmyth wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 16:27
What about the fact, not being able to view out of a rear window when driving a van. It can effect confidence for some drivers?
That's where wing mirrors come in, assuming they've not been knocked off!!
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Re: Can management contact the DVLA?

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yubin282 wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 18:45
another s**t-show from RM and CWU.

there's plenty of people employed as a "driver" and then pick a non-driving duty when theres a re-pick.

but i as a non-driver can't pick a "driving" duty

DISGRACE

That's seniority, and long may it continue.
yubin282
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Re: Can management contact the DVLA?

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sweepster70 wrote:
06 Apr 2024, 14:39
yubin282 wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 18:45
another s**t-show from RM and CWU.

there's plenty of people employed as a "driver" and then pick a non-driving duty when theres a re-pick.

but i as a non-driver can't pick a "driving" duty

DISGRACE

That's seniority, and long may it continue.
I'm all for seniority, but when duties are purposely changed so non-drivers can't apply.

All backed by the CWU of course.
korky
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Re: Can management contact the DVLA?

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yubin282 wrote:
06 Apr 2024, 16:38
sweepster70 wrote:
06 Apr 2024, 14:39
yubin282 wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 18:45
another s**t-show from RM and CWU.

there's plenty of people employed as a "driver" and then pick a non-driving duty when theres a re-pick.

but i as a non-driver can't pick a "driving" duty

DISGRACE

That's seniority, and long may it continue.
I'm all for seniority, but when duties are purposely changed so non-drivers can't apply.

All backed by the CWU of course.
how would you correct a P&L pairing if both were senior enough and both non drivers and can't drive then? regardless if the can't or just won't?
obviously the more senior guy gets in thus requiring a driver to get paired with and the pairing offer goes to the next most senior driver
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Re: Can management contact the DVLA?

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korky wrote:
06 Apr 2024, 19:11
yubin282 wrote:
06 Apr 2024, 16:38
sweepster70 wrote:
06 Apr 2024, 14:39
yubin282 wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 18:45
another s**t-show from RM and CWU.

there's plenty of people employed as a "driver" and then pick a non-driving duty when theres a re-pick.

but i as a non-driver can't pick a "driving" duty

DISGRACE

That's seniority, and long may it continue.
I'm all for seniority, but when duties are purposely changed so non-drivers can't apply.

All backed by the CWU of course.
how would you correct a P&L pairing if both were senior enough and both non drivers and can't drive then? regardless if the can't or just won't?
obviously the more senior guy gets in thus requiring a driver to get paired with and the pairing offer goes to the next most senior driver
That's not what I'm saying.

It's totally unfair that I can't apply for duties because I'm a non-driver although I would be the most senior of the pairing.

But a "driver" has the choice to pick non-driving duties, although they are employed on the basis that they can drive. All with less seniority than myself.

This has happened quite a few times in my office over the last few years.

The rep got his head in the sand as usual.
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Re: Can management contact the DVLA?

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yubin282 wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 18:45
another s**t-show from RM and CWU.

there's plenty of people employed as a "driver" and then pick a non-driving duty when theres a re-pick.

but i as a non-driver can't pick a "driving" duty

DISGRACE
They might think that duty is easier for them , why should they pass it up because you can’t drive.