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white yorks . sorting packets

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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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The single biggest health & safety failing of their employees this company has ever been involved in.
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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BigSacks wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 15:10
The single biggest health & safety failing of their employees this company has ever been involved in.
When they introduced these, it was one of the many "straw(s) that broke the camels back" that made me leave.

It just shows the utter contempt RM hold for their employees.
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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fb1969 wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 14:16
The job I do now means that I am seeing RM from the customer's side.

We use Yorks on a daily basis and there isn't a single advantage to the white sided ones compared to the original ones. The white ones hold 10% fewer of the boxes we use, they stack in 3s instead of 5s so take up more warehouse space. They often have pieces broken off which has caused sharp plastics edges. Being ex-RM colleagues ask me why the change was made, and I shrug my shoulders.
There's no change in the number of boxes that they hold and no change in how they are nested
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 19:35

There's no change in the number of boxes that they hold and no change in how they are nested
Did you read what I posted? I stated the boxes WE USE - the Yorks take fewer of the boxes WE USE. You'll have to come to where I work and count 50 when there are only 45 of the boxes WE USE on the white sided Yorks.

Likewise you'd better show me how to count to 5 when there are only 3 Yorks in a nest, and we have been told several times by RM that only multiples of 3 will be delivered. And the SSOW states three at a time! I've attached an extract below for your benefit.

Apart from that thanks for posting your apparent support for the white sided Yorks, and effectively calling me a liar.
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CarryingMGMT
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 19:35
fb1969 wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 14:16
The job I do now means that I am seeing RM from the customer's side.

We use Yorks on a daily basis and there isn't a single advantage to the white sided ones compared to the original ones. The white ones hold 10% fewer of the boxes we use, they stack in 3s instead of 5s so take up more warehouse space. They often have pieces broken off which has caused sharp plastics edges. Being ex-RM colleagues ask me why the change was made, and I shrug my shoulders.
There's no change in the number of boxes that they hold and no change in how they are nested
Are MCs stacking trays of mail in Yorks with the corrugated inserts? :arrrghhh :crazy:

That place is just messing with people for the sake of it if that is happening
Last edited by CarryingMGMT on 03 Apr 2024, 20:26, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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The inner dimensions of a corrugated York are obviously narrower than a bare York by a small margin to take account of the sleeve/lining thereby reducing its capacity. This has the effect, for example, that you can’t stack two Amazon boxes side by side in such a York, even though they fit perfectly in a non-lined York.
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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CarryingMGMT wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 20:24
SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 19:35
fb1969 wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 14:16
The job I do now means that I am seeing RM from the customer's side.

We use Yorks on a daily basis and there isn't a single advantage to the white sided ones compared to the original ones. The white ones hold 10% fewer of the boxes we use, they stack in 3s instead of 5s so take up more warehouse space. They often have pieces broken off which has caused sharp plastics edges. Being ex-RM colleagues ask me why the change was made, and I shrug my shoulders.
There's no change in the number of boxes that they hold and no change in how they are nested
Are MCs stacking trays of mail in Yorks with the corrugated inserts? :arrrghhh :crazy:

That place is just messing with people for the sake of it if that is happening
The Yorks that arrive at our DO containing mail trays, do not have the sleeves on.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
CarryingMGMT
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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Smoothbackground wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 20:26
The inner dimensions of a corrugated York are obviously narrower than a bare York by a small margin to take account of the sleeve/lining thereby reducing its capacity. This has the effect, for example, that you can’t stack two Amazon boxes side by side in such a York, even though they fit perfectly in a non-lined York.
Oh really? And your point is what exactly? Amazon boxes... Blah blah. :no no
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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Smoothbackground wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 20:26
The inner dimensions of a corrugated York are obviously narrower than a bare York by a small margin to take account of the sleeve/lining thereby reducing its capacity. This has the effect, for example, that you can’t stack two Amazon boxes side by side in such a York, even though they fit perfectly in a non-lined York.
Do you work at Amazon? Since when do we measure the capacity of anything by how many Amazon boxes could fit in it?
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
CarryingMGMT
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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Barnacle wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 20:27
CarryingMGMT wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 20:24
SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 19:35
fb1969 wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 14:16
The job I do now means that I am seeing RM from the customer's side.

We use Yorks on a daily basis and there isn't a single advantage to the white sided ones compared to the original ones. The white ones hold 10% fewer of the boxes we use, they stack in 3s instead of 5s so take up more warehouse space. They often have pieces broken off which has caused sharp plastics edges. Being ex-RM colleagues ask me why the change was made, and I shrug my shoulders.
There's no change in the number of boxes that they hold and no change in how they are nested
Are MCs stacking trays of mail in Yorks with the corrugated inserts? :arrrghhh :crazy:

That place is just messing with people for the sake of it if that is happening
The Yorks that arrive at our DO containing mail trays, do not have the sleeves on.
Good. I thought with the 'nesting' of 'boxes' comment they were talking about trays of mail.

'nesting' of 'boxes' obviously means the large parcel Jenga that MCs send .
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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Barnacle wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 20:31
Smoothbackground wrote: ↑
03 Apr 2024, 20:26
The inner dimensions of a corrugated York are obviously narrower than a bare York by a small margin to take account of the sleeve/lining thereby reducing its capacity. This has the effect, for example, that you can’t stack two Amazon boxes side by side in such a York, even though they fit perfectly in a non-lined York.
Do you work at Amazon? Since when do we measure the capacity of anything by how many Amazon boxes could fit in it?
I was replying to fb1969’s point.

But in answer to your questions: (a) no, not anymore; and (b) large Amazon boxes make up probably 50% of our oversized, if not more, and so they are something I “measure capacity” with on a daily basis.
fb1969
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Re: white yorks . sorting packets

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To follow up

The boxes we use will fit 10 to a layer on a normal York, but only 9 on a white sided York. There is a very small difference in the internal width, but it is just enough to reduce the number of boxes. We can't be the only ones affected, as proved using an Amazon box as a measurement.

It is the same small difference and the fact the sides are enclosed that means you can only nest 3 instead of 5 normal ones.
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