I started this thread in the hope that we could, between us all, get to the crux of wtf the company are doing. It would appear from all the replies that nobody, including RM, has a clue what the goals of this company are, apart from making cash.
Although i have discovered a few things, newer posties know very little about how we used to be run and us oldies are not much liked by the newbies, mainly due to the t&c's being different, plus the whole seniority thing. They don't seem to comprehend that the difference in t&c's is due to their employer not us, seniority is slowly being eroded as we oldies leave/retire and then you will become senior, bet you don't complain then if it still exists!
Our internal fighting is what RM love, newbies need to realise we didn't make the rules and us oldies need to educate them and stop giving them a hard time, we all had to learn.
If we could gather ourselves and stop the infighting perhaps we could put up a resistance to these tyrants.
I speak for myself, not new starters at large. i don’t resent the disparity in Ts and Cs. I don’t resent longstanding staff or their experience, instead welcoming and embracing them and their valuable experience and knowledge.
But I do resent the rudeness and belligerence displayed by a small but loud minority of old-guard postmen. I also resent the fact that a union which didn’t give a hoot about new entrants’ Ts and Cs and failed to advocate for new starters in the BRTG negotiations is nonetheless s the de facto staff-side rep for us new starters regardless of if we are union members. I resent the fact that the old-boys club (aka union) has a significant hand in the allocation and booking of new starters’ annual leave when this is/should be a purely HR function. I could go on but won’t.
I cannot wait to receive zero shares after RM announce they made no profits this year. When in reality the money was shifted to hide the profits and push on with USO destruction
Yep, don't forget it's ROYAL MAIL profits - not IDS group profit, so lookIng forward to getting sweet FA.
Done 21 years on delivery at that place, they couldn't even be bothered acknowledging 20 years service. Disgraceful
40 years in RM and they handed me my plaque with someone else’s name on it but had my name on the box and it was just a “here’s your trophy for your service” while I was signing for my lorry keys what you have to realise is as it stands at the moment RM don’t want long service employees the half a dozen or so twats at the top are to obsessed with the Amazon model of employment because it’s cheaper
I started this thread in the hope that we could, between us all, get to the crux of wtf the company are doing. It would appear from all the replies that nobody, including RM, has a clue what the goals of this company are, apart from making cash.
Although i have discovered a few things, newer posties know very little about how we used to be run and us oldies are not much liked by the newbies, mainly due to the t&c's being different, plus the whole seniority thing. They don't seem to comprehend that the difference in t&c's is due to their employer not us, seniority is slowly being eroded as we oldies leave/retire and then you will become senior, bet you don't complain then if it still exists!
Our internal fighting is what RM love, newbies need to realise we didn't make the rules and us oldies need to educate them and stop giving them a hard time, we all had to learn.
If we could gather ourselves and stop the infighting perhaps we could put up a resistance to these tyrants.
I speak for myself, not new starters at large. i don’t resent the disparity in Ts and Cs. I don’t resent longstanding staff or their experience, instead welcoming and embracing them and their valuable experience and knowledge.
But I do resent the rudeness and belligerence displayed by a small but loud minority of old-guard postmen. I also resent the fact that a union which didn’t give a hoot about new entrants’ Ts and Cs and failed to advocate for new starters in the BRTG negotiations is nonetheless s the de facto staff-side rep for us new starters regardless of if we are union members. I resent the fact that the old-boys club (aka union) has a significant hand in the allocation and booking of new starters’ annual leave when this is/should be a purely HR function. I could go on but won’t.
Why don't you piss off back to the job whence you came (Amazon) then, instead of stirring up shite on here and winding people up with your waffling nonsense?
I started this thread in the hope that we could, between us all, get to the crux of wtf the company are doing. It would appear from all the replies that nobody, including RM, has a clue what the goals of this company are, apart from making cash.
Although i have discovered a few things, newer posties know very little about how we used to be run and us oldies are not much liked by the newbies, mainly due to the t&c's being different, plus the whole seniority thing. They don't seem to comprehend that the difference in t&c's is due to their employer not us, seniority is slowly being eroded as we oldies leave/retire and then you will become senior, bet you don't complain then if it still exists!
Our internal fighting is what RM love, newbies need to realise we didn't make the rules and us oldies need to educate them and stop giving them a hard time, we all had to learn.
If we could gather ourselves and stop the infighting perhaps we could put up a resistance to these tyrants.
I speak for myself, not new starters at large. i don’t resent the disparity in Ts and Cs. I don’t resent longstanding staff or their experience, instead welcoming and embracing them and their valuable experience and knowledge.
But I do resent the rudeness and belligerence displayed by a small but loud minority of old-guard postmen. I also resent the fact that a union which didn’t give a hoot about new entrants’ Ts and Cs and failed to advocate for new starters in the BRTG negotiations is nonetheless s the de facto staff-side rep for us new starters regardless of if we are union members. I resent the fact that the old-boys club (aka union) has a significant hand in the allocation and booking of new starters’ annual leave when this is/should be a purely HR function. I could go on but won’t.
Why don't you piss off back to the job whence you came (Amazon) then, instead of stirring up shite on here and winding people up with your waffling nonsense?
This forum is a club for current posties. You aren’t a postie. A growing number on here doubt you ever were one. Why don’t you clear off before we call security to have you removed?!
the minute you privatise it's 100% about profit to think a corporation is bothered about staff and customers is naive.
In many cases it's not about profit. It's about extracting as much cash as possible for the business, which isn't quite the same thing. But you're quite right: staff and customers are seen more as things to be manipulated rather than anything else.
With respect DGH the business is profit you only have to look at the length of service and how much the CEO's walk away with for failing staff and customers its amazing to watch..."we are on the verge of bankruptcy"yet here we are.
I started this thread in the hope that we could, between us all, get to the crux of wtf the company are doing. It would appear from all the replies that nobody, including RM, has a clue what the goals of this company are,
apart from making cash.
Although i have discovered a few things, newer posties know very little about how we used to be run and us oldies are not much liked by the newbies, mainly due to the t&c's being different, plus the whole seniority thing. They don't seem to comprehend that the difference in t&c's is due to their employer not us, seniority is slowly being eroded as we oldies leave/retire and then you will become senior, bet you don't complain then if it still exists!
Our internal fighting is what RM love, newbies need to realise we didn't make the rules and us oldies need to educate them and stop giving them a hard time, we all had to learn.
If we could gather ourselves and stop the infighting perhaps we could put up a resistance to these tyrants.
You answerd your own question its just commerce RM do know what they are doing,the minute you privitise its 100% about profit to think a corporation is bothered about staff and customers is nieve.
I know what you are saying, but what i mean is going forward what their plan is. By the way at the moment they apparently aren't making money so that makes the whole making cash thing null and void.
What i really mean is the day to day running of the company as if they vaguely know what they are doing, or at least in the future perhaps they will know what they are doing. It seems to me they just let the company trundle along as it always have and hope we can cope with anything that comes are way.
I started this thread in the hope that we could, between us all, get to the crux of wtf the company are doing. It would appear from all the replies that nobody, including RM, has a clue what the goals of this company are,
apart from making cash.
Although i have discovered a few things, newer posties know very little about how we used to be run and us oldies are not much liked by the newbies, mainly due to the t&c's being different, plus the whole seniority thing. They don't seem to comprehend that the difference in t&c's is due to their employer not us, seniority is slowly being eroded as we oldies leave/retire and then you will become senior, bet you don't complain then if it still exists!
Our internal fighting is what RM love, newbies need to realise we didn't make the rules and us oldies need to educate them and stop giving them a hard time, we all had to learn.
If we could gather ourselves and stop the infighting perhaps we could put up a resistance to these tyrants.
You answerd your own question its just commerce RM do know what they are doing,the minute you privitise its 100% about profit to think a corporation is bothered about staff and customers is nieve.
I know what you are saying, but what i mean is going forward what their plan is. By the way at the moment they apparently aren't making money so that makes the whole making cash thing null and void.
What i really mean is the day to day running of the company as if they vaguely know what they are doing, or at least in the future perhaps they will know what they are doing. It seems to me they just let the company trundle along as it always have and hope we can cope with anything that comes are way.
Their plan is gig economy RM are just late to the game Maggie thatcher wouldn't privitise it like she did with bt or the other infrastructures,and it was an actual service before it got privitised you would be suspended for leaving one letter in your frame.
I started this thread in the hope that we could, between us all, get to the crux of wtf the company are doing. It would appear from all the replies that nobody, including RM, has a clue what the goals of this company are, apart from making cash.
Although i have discovered a few things, newer posties know very little about how we used to be run and us oldies are not much liked by the newbies, mainly due to the t&c's being different, plus the whole seniority thing. They don't seem to comprehend that the difference in t&c's is due to their employer not us, seniority is slowly being eroded as we oldies leave/retire and then you will become senior, bet you don't complain then if it still exists!
Our internal fighting is what RM love, newbies need to realise we didn't make the rules and us oldies need to educate them and stop giving them a hard time, we all had to learn.
If we could gather ourselves and stop the infighting perhaps we could put up a resistance to these tyrants.
I speak for myself, not new starters at large. i don’t resent the disparity in Ts and Cs. I don’t resent longstanding staff or their experience, instead welcoming and embracing them and their valuable experience and knowledge.
But I do resent the rudeness and belligerence displayed by a small but loud minority of old-guard postmen. I also resent the fact that a union which didn’t give a hoot about new entrants’ Ts and Cs and failed to advocate for new starters in the BRTG negotiations is nonetheless s the de facto staff-side rep for us new starters regardless of if we are union members. I resent the fact that the old-boys club (aka union) has a significant hand in the allocation and booking of new starters’ annual leave when this is/should be a purely HR function. I could go on but won’t.
Smooth you say one thing and then have a go at the old-boys club which is us oldies, and you blame the union for your t&c's, while i agree to some extent about the union, you are a adult who signed said contract with the t&c's attached, i take it you read it before you signed, so take some responsibility, everywhere you work their are always cliques, and i have had plenty of jobs, but i never let that stop me or worried about them having a go. Know your rights, ignore them and eventually once you have served enough time they will ignore you. I know the seniority thing is a pain but again if you hang around long enough it comes back in your favour.
You have to remember we have a really high turnover of newbies that quit really quickly, always have had since i started, this job isn't for everyone and it takes a certain type to stay long term and then you reap the rewards. Nature of the beast.
I started this thread in the hope that we could, between us all, get to the crux of wtf the company are doing. It would appear from all the replies that nobody, including RM, has a clue what the goals of this company are, apart from making cash.
Although i have discovered a few things, newer posties know very little about how we used to be run and us oldies are not much liked by the newbies, mainly due to the t&c's being different, plus the whole seniority thing. They don't seem to comprehend that the difference in t&c's is due to their employer not us, seniority is slowly being eroded as we oldies leave/retire and then you will become senior, bet you don't complain then if it still exists!
Our internal fighting is what RM love, newbies need to realise we didn't make the rules and us oldies need to educate them and stop giving them a hard time, we all had to learn.
If we could gather ourselves and stop the infighting perhaps we could put up a resistance to these tyrants.
I speak for myself, not new starters at large. i don’t resent the disparity in Ts and Cs. I don’t resent longstanding staff or their experience, instead welcoming and embracing them and their valuable experience and knowledge.
But I do resent the rudeness and belligerence displayed by a small but loud minority of old-guard postmen. I also resent the fact that a union which didn’t give a hoot about new entrants’ Ts and Cs and failed to advocate for new starters in the BRTG negotiations is nonetheless s the de facto staff-side rep for us new starters regardless of if we are union members. I resent the fact that the old-boys club (aka union) has a significant hand in the allocation and booking of new starters’ annual leave when this is/should be a purely HR function. I could go on but won’t.
Smooth you say one thing and then have a go at the old-boys club which is us oldies, and you blame the union for your t&c's, while i agree to some extent about the union, you are a adult who signed said contract with the t&c's attached, i take it you read it before you signed, so take some responsibility, everywhere you work their are always cliques, and i have had plenty of jobs, but i never let that stop me or worried about them having a go. Know your rights, ignore them and eventually once you have served enough time they will ignore you. I know the seniority thing is a pain but again if you hang around long enough it comes back in your favour.
You have to remember we have a really high turnover of newbies that quit really quickly, always have had since i started, this job isn't for everyone and it takes a certain type to stay long term and then you reap the rewards. Nature of the beast.
Scotchy, you talk about infighting on boards such as these, but you have to appreciate how having a two-tiered workforce is way, way more of a problem when it comes to the job? That will cause more discontent than anything, and rightly so. It is perfectly fair for a new starter to question why older staff are receiving more pay for doing the same job, and not having to commit to working Sundays and bank holidays etc. Yes, they know what they signed up for, but I don’t think anywhere in the new contract, even if they receive one nowadays, does it set out that you will be earning less than the guy working next to you. If that was explained, I’m sure a lot of people would be thinking twice, and given how high turnover is, a lot do jack it in when learning of it.
It also will lead to a massive reduction in union membership. I know a lot of people moan on here about the CWU, but declining power in the workplace, is bad for us all. I certainly wouldn’t join as a new starter now.
I started this thread in the hope that we could, between us all, get to the crux of wtf the company are doing. It would appear from all the replies that nobody, including RM, has a clue what the goals of this company are, apart from making cash.
Although i have discovered a few things, newer posties know very little about how we used to be run and us oldies are not much liked by the newbies, mainly due to the t&c's being different, plus the whole seniority thing. They don't seem to comprehend that the difference in t&c's is due to their employer not us, seniority is slowly being eroded as we oldies leave/retire and then you will become senior, bet you don't complain then if it still exists!
Our internal fighting is what RM love, newbies need to realise we didn't make the rules and us oldies need to educate them and stop giving them a hard time, we all had to learn.
If we could gather ourselves and stop the infighting perhaps we could put up a resistance to these tyrants.
I speak for myself, not new starters at large. i don’t resent the disparity in Ts and Cs. I don’t resent longstanding staff or their experience, instead welcoming and embracing them and their valuable experience and knowledge.
But I do resent the rudeness and belligerence displayed by a small but loud minority of old-guard postmen. I also resent the fact that a union which didn’t give a hoot about new entrants’ Ts and Cs and failed to advocate for new starters in the BRTG negotiations is nonetheless s the de facto staff-side rep for us new starters regardless of if we are union members. I resent the fact that the old-boys club (aka union) has a significant hand in the allocation and booking of new starters’ annual leave when this is/should be a purely HR function. I could go on but won’t.
Smooth you say one thing and then have a go at the old-boys club which is us oldies, and you blame the union for your t&c's, while i agree to some extent about the union, you are a adult who signed said contract with the t&c's attached, i take it you read it before you signed, so take some responsibility, everywhere you work their are always cliques, and i have had plenty of jobs, but i never let that stop me or worried about them having a go. Know your rights, ignore them and eventually once you have served enough time they will ignore you. I know the seniority thing is a pain but again if you hang around long enough it comes back in your favour.
You have to remember we have a really high turnover of newbies that quit really quickly, always have had since i started, this job isn't for everyone and it takes a certain type to stay long term and then you reap the rewards. Nature of the beast.
Scotchy, you talk about infighting on boards such as these, but you have to appreciate how having a two-tiered workforce is way, way more of a problem when it comes to the job? That will cause more discontent than anything, and rightly so. It is perfectly fair for a new starter to question why older staff are receiving more pay for doing the same job, and not having to commit to working Sundays and bank holidays etc. Yes, they know what they signed up for, but I don’t think anywhere in the new contract, even if they receive one nowadays, does it set out that you will be earning less than the guy working next to you. If that was explained, I’m sure a lot of people would be thinking twice, and given how high turnover is, a lot do jack it in when learning of it.
It also will lead to a massive reduction in union membership. I know a lot of people moan on here about the CWU, but declining power in the workplace, is bad for us all. I certainly wouldn’t join as a new starter now.
So whats the answer. Drag everyone down to the new starters pay and terms? That's called a race to the bottom. It really needs to be mentioned again that it was ROYAL MAIL AND NOT THE CWU that attacked our terms and designed and implemented the new contracts. The CWU and the "old timers" actually went out on strike to try and stop this from happening. It will be the CWU that helps improve those terms. Without them there is no chance.
New starters new what terms they were joining on. Plain and simple really. The Smoothbackgrounds of the world really do need to take responsibility for their own actions in this regard.
How strange that you recognise that membership is on the wane with declining power and advocate for not joining. Joining would increase membership figures and improve the union...
We will 100% be back in dispute soon enough. The company have clearly not stopped attacking its staff and I suspect will come back at us again soon. Do you want to be without a union then? I certainly wouldn't.
I also resent the fact that a union which didn’t give a hoot about new entrants’ Ts and Cs and failed to advocate for new starters in the BRTG negotiations is nonetheless s the de facto staff-side rep for us new starters regardless of if we are union members.
It was Royal Mail who introduced these new entrants terms and cons - not the CWU. The Union on a national level were dead set against having a two-tier workforce but our employer was hellbent on introducing these changes. The Union managed to secure some commitment in the BRTG agreement to levelling up the new entrants - but it is subject to overall affordability. Like I said before, I believe it when I see it because Royal Mail's wage bill at one point was running at something like £5.5 billion a year....so it is quite a significant dent in their expenses and the main reason why they introduced these new terms in the first place.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
I started this thread in the hope that we could, between us all, get to the crux of wtf the company are doing. It would appear from all the replies that nobody, including RM, has a clue what the goals of this company are, apart from making cash.
Although i have discovered a few things, newer posties know very little about how we used to be run and us oldies are not much liked by the newbies, mainly due to the t&c's being different, plus the whole seniority thing. They don't seem to comprehend that the difference in t&c's is due to their employer not us, seniority is slowly being eroded as we oldies leave/retire and then you will become senior, bet you don't complain then if it still exists!
Our internal fighting is what RM love, newbies need to realise we didn't make the rules and us oldies need to educate them and stop giving them a hard time, we all had to learn.
If we could gather ourselves and stop the infighting perhaps we could put up a resistance to these tyrants.
I speak for myself, not new starters at large. i don’t resent the disparity in Ts and Cs. I don’t resent longstanding staff or their experience, instead welcoming and embracing them and their valuable experience and knowledge.
But I do resent the rudeness and belligerence displayed by a small but loud minority of old-guard postmen. I also resent the fact that a union which didn’t give a hoot about new entrants’ Ts and Cs and failed to advocate for new starters in the BRTG negotiations is nonetheless s the de facto staff-side rep for us new starters regardless of if we are union members. I resent the fact that the old-boys club (aka union) has a significant hand in the allocation and booking of new starters’ annual leave when this is/should be a purely HR function. I could go on but won’t.
Smooth you say one thing and then have a go at the old-boys club which is us oldies, and you blame the union for your t&c's, while i agree to some extent about the union, you are a adult who signed said contract with the t&c's attached, i take it you read it before you signed, so take some responsibility, everywhere you work their are always cliques, and i have had plenty of jobs, but i never let that stop me or worried about them having a go. Know your rights, ignore them and eventually once you have served enough time they will ignore you. I know the seniority thing is a pain but again if you hang around long enough it comes back in your favour.
You have to remember we have a really high turnover of newbies that quit really quickly, always have had since i started, this job isn't for everyone and it takes a certain type to stay long term and then you reap the rewards. Nature of the beast.
Scotchy, you talk about infighting on boards such as these, but you have to appreciate how having a two-tiered workforce is way, way more of a problem when it comes to the job? That will cause more discontent than anything, and rightly so. It is perfectly fair for a new starter to question why older staff are receiving more pay for doing the same job, and not having to commit to working Sundays and bank holidays etc. Yes, they know what they signed up for, but I don’t think anywhere in the new contract, even if they receive one nowadays, does it set out that you will be earning less than the guy working next to you. If that was explained, I’m sure a lot of people would be thinking twice, and given how high turnover is, a lot do jack it in when learning of it.
It also will lead to a massive reduction in union membership. I know a lot of people moan on here about the CWU, but declining power in the workplace, is bad for us all. I certainly wouldn’t join as a new starter now.
So whats the answer. Drag everyone down to the new starters pay and terms? That's called a race to the bottom. It really needs to be mentioned again that it was ROYAL MAIL AND NOT THE CWU that attacked our terms and designed and implemented the new contracts. The CWU and the "old timers" actually went out on strike to try and stop this from happening. It will be the CWU that helps improve those terms. Without them there is no chance.
Some attempt to act on the provision set out in the agreement for new contracts to reach parity with legacy contracts would be a start. Or is it going to be like that other mythical section, that claimed sick leave would be looked at and if a percentage reduction in absenteeism was reached, we would return to the old system? Funny how that isn’t even mentioned now. Does anyone know if it has actually reduced people being off sick? My guess is no, because funnily enough, if you are too sick to work, you don’t turn up, no matter if it costs you financially or not.
People know how pro the agreement I was on here, and still am ultimately if it keeps us in a job, but it definitely makes me look at how the union is doing jack s**t to hold the company to account for these clear provisions in the agreement we voted for. And yes, I blame the union for this. They are there to keep the company to task and to force them to adhere to these sections of the agreement. If we announce a financial turn around in the upcoming financial yearly announcements, I expect them to actually do something, rather than the blanket radio silence that has been the CWU since the agreement was secured.
I also resent the fact that a union which didn’t give a hoot about new entrants’ Ts and Cs and failed to advocate for new starters in the BRTG negotiations is nonetheless s the de facto staff-side rep for us new starters regardless of if we are union members.
It was Royal Mail who introduced these new entrants terms and cons - not the CWU. The Union on a national level were dead set against having a two-tier workforce but our employer was hellbent on introducing these changes. The Union managed to secure some commitment in the BRTG agreement to levelling up the new entrants - but it is subject to overall affordability. Like I said before, I believe it when I see it because Royal Mail's wage bill at one point was running at something like £5.5 billion a year....so it is quite a significant dent in their expenses and the main reason why they introduced these new terms in the first place.
Think it said in Agreement that newbies would be leveled up after 5 years, a bit shite to be doing the same job as other people and getting paid less right enough but end of the day nobody forced them to accept the job.if there is something about levelling up being linked to affordability then rm will probably use that get out to keep them on s**t contract.
what you have to realise is as it stands at the moment RM don’t want long service employees the half a dozen or so twats at the top are to obsessed with the Amazon model of employment because it’s cheaper 
