LTB 100/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Weekly Resourcing Meetings (WRMs) and Supporting New Starters in Deliveries

[abuch1980]

Another LTB that is written by someone not on the same page as the rest of us.
1. How can you balance workloads when half the staff come in early way before their due start time and expect to finish before their due end time.
2. How can you fail a duty 1 day and expect someone to cover it the next day in the hours provided without going way over your time. And then maybe having to go back to your own duty the next day to deal with 2 days worth of mail again.
3. For a workplace coach to train anyone they would have to know every duty in the office otherwise they are collecting 40+ quid every week for nothing.
4. It is not possible to keep someone on a duty for 6 weeks + when even regulars get shunted about the office. This would cause a disgruntled office and rift between new starters and more senior staff adding to the huge difference already in new n old contracts.
5. I can't understand why the union put their name to these joint LTBs.

We are doomed.

[George50]

Is that driver from Stockport okay? And this is the problem with royal mail new starters should get minimum of 6weeks on same walk to build confidence learn procedures etc.but no the old guard can't come off their walk to help because they are more senior and then when they get put with a new starter they say it's not my job to train them.np wonder newbies leave 2 tier workforce and senior dinosaur s who want the best of both worlds but are unwilling to change.oahh your contract says you can be put on any walk anytime.managenent need to get tough with the dinosaurs and if unwilling to do a reasonable request punish em

[ted_e_bear]

We used to have a hct duty that was designated for new starts to go on, it was stipulated the duty holder had to understand that when it was advertised, anyway it's been permanently lapsed for at least 3 years.

[Jack1960]

Is that driver from Stockport okay? And this is the problem with royal mail new starters should get minimum of 6weeks on same walk to build confidence learn procedures etc.but no the old guard can't come off their walk to help because they are more senior and then when they get put with a new starter they say it's not my job to train them.np wonder newbies leave 2 tier workforce and senior dinosaur s who want the best of both worlds but are unwilling to change.oahh your contract says you can be put on any walk anytime.managenent need to get tough with the dinosaurs and if unwilling to do a reasonable request punish em

There should be a training walk in each office ...in our office it's the WPCs walk so she trains people on her walk and then goes reserve for at least 6 weeks ...one year she was barely on her walk as we got 4 new people.

[ted_e_bear]

Is that driver from Stockport okay? And this is the problem with royal mail new starters should get minimum of 6weeks on same walk to build confidence learn procedures etc.but no the old guard can't come off their walk to help because they are more senior and then when they get put with a new starter they say it's not my job to train them.np wonder newbies leave 2 tier workforce and senior dinosaur s who want the best of both worlds but are unwilling to change.oahh your contract says you can be put on any walk anytime.managenent need to get tough with the dinosaurs and if unwilling to do a reasonable request punish em

There should be a training walk in each office ...in our office it's the WPCs walk so she trains people on her walk and then goes reserve for at least 6 weeks ...one year she was barely on her walk as we got 4 new people.

Wow, I wonder how many other offices have that system

[claretandblue]

The chances of me clearing up someone elses mess when I clear mine everyday are between slim and none. Not happening.

[Jack1960]

Is that driver from Stockport okay? And this is the problem with royal mail new starters should get minimum of 6weeks on same walk to build confidence learn procedures etc.but no the old guard can't come off their walk to help because they are more senior and then when they get put with a new starter they say it's not my job to train them.np wonder newbies leave 2 tier workforce and senior dinosaur s who want the best of both worlds but are unwilling to change.oahh your contract says you can be put on any walk anytime.managenent need to get tough with the dinosaurs and if unwilling to do a reasonable request punish em

There should be a training walk in each office ...in our office it's the WPCs walk so she trains people on her walk and then goes reserve for at least 6 weeks ...one year she was barely on her walk as we got 4 new people.

Wow, I wonder how many other offices have that system

Its in new entants agreement....but looks like rhe surrender brigade have let that go...agreeing to a document that now condones walks not going out is pitiful

[Mr Rush]

We had a training walk in our office. Naturally, when lapsing was birthed into this universe like some kind of Lovecraftian horror that was the first victim.

[toonshola]

Another LTB dressed up in nice smiley union speak to hide the fact this is yet another issue the CWU has rolled over and given up on. Ward and Walsh laughing all the way to the bank.
Some time within the next 18 months there’s going to be an announcement that the USO has been stripped back to at least 5 and possibly 3 days a week for letters, Ward and Walsh will be flailing their arms in the air in outrage that this could happen after sitting on their backsides for months on end. The CWU isn’t looking out for any of us. We’re on our own.

[worktotime]

so is this the way royal mail and the cw who ? have agreed to sort the failing revisions and a managable work load and the quality of service out , is to roll dutys mail over to clear in 2 days , and then some poor f***ers are going to be pushed from pillar to post everyday to mop 2 days worth of mail up , what a cracking idea , no wonder your losing members , clueless .

[kazardaimenu]

This coupled with Delivery 2.0 is what RM want. In practice it will be a mess.

[scotchy1962]

Is that driver from Stockport okay? And this is the problem with royal mail new starters should get minimum of 6weeks on same walk to build confidence learn procedures etc.but no the old guard can't come off their walk to help because they are more senior and then when they get put with a new starter they say it's not my job to train them.np wonder newbies leave 2 tier workforce and senior dinosaur s who want the best of both worlds but are unwilling to change.oahh your contract says you can be put on any walk anytime.managenent need to get tough with the dinosaurs and if unwilling to do a reasonable request punish em

George it's seems to be the latest thing to blame the "old guard" for all the problems in RM, "dinosaurs" the latest description used in many posts as if we don't move with the times.
Bollocks i say, it's easy to point the finger at people who are on better conditions than other workers, the problem with that is it's not us "old guards" fault, the union agreed to this and then sold it to the workforce as a win, the two-tier workforce was not our doing and anyone joining since the agreement have signed up to this, again not our doing.
As for the training of newbies, it's always been a problem as most workplace coaches are useless (Not all of them) it usually ends up with some random postie getting that pleasure, and like everything in life some of them have little interest in helping. I have trained plenty in my time, i am not a coach but i never had a problem helping as in the long run it gave them a better chance of staying on and becoming a decent postie.
As for us being unwilling to change, unless you are a 20yr veteran you will have no idea how the job has changed in that time, we aren't as unflexible as you all think, we just don't allow ourselves to be walked over.

[ted_e_bear]

Is that driver from Stockport okay? And this is the problem with royal mail new starters should get minimum of 6weeks on same walk to build confidence learn procedures etc.but no the old guard can't come off their walk to help because they are more senior and then when they get put with a new starter they say it's not my job to train them.np wonder newbies leave 2 tier workforce and senior dinosaur s who want the best of both worlds but are unwilling to change.oahh your contract says you can be put on any walk anytime.managenent need to get tough with the dinosaurs and if unwilling to do a reasonable request punish em

George it's seems to be the latest thing to blame the "old guard" for all the problems in RM, "dinosaurs" the latest description used in many posts as if we don't move with the times.
Bollocks i say, it's easy to point the finger at people who are on better conditions than other workers, the problem with that is it's not us "old guards" fault, the union agreed to this and then sold it to the workforce as a win, the two-tier workforce was not our doing and anyone joining since the agreement have signed up to this, again not our doing.
As for the training of newbies, it's always been a problem as most workplace coaches are useless (Not all of them) it usually ends up with some random postie getting that pleasure, and like everything in life some of them have little interest in helping. I have trained plenty in my time, i am not a coach but i never had a problem helping as in the long run it gave them a better chance of staying on and becoming a decent postie.
As for us being unwilling to change, unless you are a 20yr veteran you will have no idea how the job has changed in that time, we aren't as unflexible as you all think, we just don't allow ourselves to be walked over.

I can relate to that, yes we all have the "old guard" you know the ones who still sort mail to the duty it was on 3 revisions ago, but that aside I agree us longer serving posties aren't the problem, it's not the old guards fault we haven't got a training duty because it's permanently lapsed, it's not the old guards fault the wpc is s**t and only in it for the £2k per year, it's not the old guards fault new starters get every Tuesday or bank holidays off and get dumped on walks they don't know that haven't gone out the previous day, you get the picture here it's all down to piss poor management in delivery offices.

[SpacePhoenix]

Is that driver from Stockport okay? And this is the problem with royal mail new starters should get minimum of 6weeks on same walk to build confidence learn procedures etc.but no the old guard can't come off their walk to help because they are more senior and then when they get put with a new starter they say it's not my job to train them.np wonder newbies leave 2 tier workforce and senior dinosaur s who want the best of both worlds but are unwilling to change.oahh your contract says you can be put on any walk anytime.managenent need to get tough with the dinosaurs and if unwilling to do a reasonable request punish em

George it's seems to be the latest thing to blame the "old guard" for all the problems in RM, "dinosaurs" the latest description used in many posts as if we don't move with the times.
Bollocks i say, it's easy to point the finger at people who are on better conditions than other workers, the problem with that is it's not us "old guards" fault, the union agreed to this and then sold it to the workforce as a win, the two-tier workforce was not our doing and anyone joining since the agreement have signed up to this, again not our doing.
As for the training of newbies, it's always been a problem as most workplace coaches are useless (Not all of them) it usually ends up with some random postie getting that pleasure, and like everything in life some of them have little interest in helping. I have trained plenty in my time, i am not a coach but i never had a problem helping as in the long run it gave them a better chance of staying on and becoming a decent postie.
As for us being unwilling to change, unless you are a 20yr veteran you will have no idea how the job has changed in that time, we aren't as unflexible as you all think, we just don't allow ourselves to be walked over.

I can relate to that, yes we all have the "old guard" you know the ones who still sort mail to the duty it was on 3 revisions ago, but that aside I agree us longer serving posties aren't the problem, it's not the old guards fault we haven't got a training duty because it's permanently lapsed, it's not the old guards fault the wpc is s**t and only in it for the £2k per year, it's not the old guards fault new starters get every Tuesday or bank holidays off and get dumped on walks they don't know that haven't gone out the previous day, you get the picture here it's all down to piss poor management in delivery offices.

In MCs it's normally "Here's the work, here's the setup/frame/work area, get on with it". The only "Training" they seem to get is the basic H&S stuff. The have to learn everything as they go. Is it typically similar in DOs?

[rubberbond]

Another LTB that is written by someone not on the same page as the rest of us.
1. How can you balance workloads when half the staff come in early way before their due start time and expect to finish before their due end time.
2. How can you fail a duty 1 day and expect someone to cover it the next day in the hours provided without going way over your time. And then maybe having to go back to your own duty the next day to deal with 2 days worth of mail again.
3. For a workplace coach to train anyone they would have to know every duty in the office otherwise they are collecting 40+ quid every week for nothing.
4. It is not possible to keep someone on a duty for 6 weeks + when even regulars get shunted about the office. This would cause a disgruntled office and rift between new starters and more senior staff adding to the huge difference already in new n old contracts.
5. I can't understand why the union put their name to these joint LTBs.

We are doomed.

They write these things to make themselves feel relevant and sound important ,as if Royal Mail are awaiting their word on the latest proposal, when in fact they are sticking two fingers up at them behind their back and laughing at the gullibility , we can see the emperor has no clothes , but Dave and his motley crew daren’t acknowledge that they are standing stark bollock naked in front of the membership ,whilst having the absolute arse ripped out of them by Royal Mail , but we pay the price.