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LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

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Ren Hoëk
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by Ren Hoëk »

TopperGas wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 09:59
Double spotted frames are a nightmare for D2D's as there seems no set way of delivering them, so when covering somebody's rest day etc you've no idea which properties haven't had them already.

As somebody else posted it sounds like dynamic duties, which will expand and shrink depending on the days incoming mail.
Oh, i missed that out. When it comes to D2Ds you would be expected to take both sets if only one part of the double slot has mail. They think this solves it but in reality it doesn't. You will be left with gaps between houses and no way to know which house the D2D is for. No way can we be expected to remember this and the whole point is to avoid having to write on them.

In reality I expect they don't give a f**k as long as they are just gone from the frame. Yet again, another disregard for the QofS we offer.

As for dynamic duties. You are correct. Although they claim it will be a rare occurrence due to seasonal variation supposedly fixing this issue. I don't believe it for a second. Not that it will matter as the duties are so large you wont get near to completing them regardless of what they tell you the computer says.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by LouBarlow »

I could save them a lot of money without having to experiment with all these wacky trials. As much as I hate seeing anyone lose their jobs, you could easily remove 1 in 3 managers and save millions. You do not need sometimes 4 managers in an office with 100 staff, which is the breakdown in my office roughly. You could easily live with 2.

Problem solved.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by SpacePhoenix »

LouBarlow wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 12:38
I could save them a lot of money without having to experiment with all these wacky trials. As much as I hate seeing anyone lose their jobs, you could easily remove 1 in 3 managers and save millions. You do not need sometimes 4 managers in an office with 100 staff, which is the breakdown in my office roughly. You could easily live with 2.

Problem solved.
Actually you could solve two problems at the same time. Have just a single manager who's the PIC, does all the main paperwork, etc. Make the remaining managers into "Team Leaders" who'll then be normal posties but with leadership responsibilities
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by ted_e_bear »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 12:56
LouBarlow wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 12:38
I could save them a lot of money without having to experiment with all these wacky trials. As much as I hate seeing anyone lose their jobs, you could easily remove 1 in 3 managers and save millions. You do not need sometimes 4 managers in an office with 100 staff, which is the breakdown in my office roughly. You could easily live with 2.

Problem solved.
Actually you could solve two problems at the same time. Have just a single manager who's the PIC, does all the main paperwork, etc. Make the remaining managers into "Team Leaders" who'll then be normal posties but with leadership responsibilities
How about refining that suggestion a bit more, perhaps we could give these team leading normal posties an official title, I suggest post person higher grade or PHG for short, they could be paid a supplement for holding that position :chuckle
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Post by Moose67 »

Regarding losing delivery Managers we had two go on redundancy packages last year and we were told that they were surplus and would not be replaced low and behold they have been replaced with 4 managers you just could not make it up and they are still not working on Sundays as per their pay deal agreement during our strikes :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by nuisance »

Ren Hoëk wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 11:13

Oh, i missed that out. When it comes to D2Ds you would be expected to take both sets if only one part of the double slot has mail. They think this solves it but in reality it doesn't. You will be left with gaps between houses and no way to know which house the D2D is for. No way can we be expected to remember this and the whole point is to avoid having to write on them.

In reality I expect they don't give a f**k as long as they are just gone from the frame. Yet again, another disregard for the QofS we offer.
I'm one of those rare posties that take D2Ds seriously, AFAIC advertisers paying to send mail are as entitled to receive a reliable service as anyone else paying to send mail. I've tried having the argument with managers about how it's absolutely not possible to warm call double slot fittings. The solution is always "take both D2Ds in a slot". Yeah, cause you can remember which houses are in pairs on the fitting while you're out. You've no bleeding idea which D2Ds go where and that's when you're on the same duty every day with some degree of memory input, reserves haven't got a chance.

Managers just pretend that they don't understand the issue.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by Dorset Plodder »

Ive got some flats that share a letterbox ... 2 flats to each. My Day Off Cover was forever just delivering one flats Households and leaving the other in the Frame :crazy:

I said FFS mate just take them both and put them through the same letterbox! :arrrghhh He must have been saving literally seconds doing it his way :cuppa
Like all Wage Slaves, he had two crosses to bear: The people he worked for and the people he worked with! (Stephen Vizinczey.)
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by Fannybaws »

Grinder64 wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 10:35
TopperGas wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 09:59
Double spotted frames are a nightmare for D2D's as there seems no set way of delivering them, so when covering somebody's rest day etc you've no idea which properties haven't had them already.
As I never work my rest day I've consistently raised this nugget for years with various grades of screw, not one of them has returned with a concise answer which addresses the issue; normally it's a shrug of the shoulders or "I'll get back to you..." :hmmmm
The higher up the ladder that these clowns climb then the lack of oxygen seems to affect their ability to enable common sense.
You take both, always have done even before it was mandatory to do 20% a day.

As a cover if the duty holder left one in it stayed there for them to do the next day. They soon learn.

As duty holder I took both and never left one in for cover man.
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rubberbond wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 18:06
They waste so much money on stupid projects, no wonder the business is circling the plug hole. Why do we put up with this reinventing the wheel nonsense, all their stupid ideas ever mean is more work for the poor sod trudging the street. In the pantheon of stupid ideas this gets close to automatic redelivery and consumer collect , and the granddaddy of all has to be park and loop, it’s a tough ask sorting through their moronic ideas to find the worst of the worst ,because they have so many but this must be the crowning turd in the water pipe to quote General Melchett.
And Dave Ward telling everyone he wants posties to do more things for the community and new ideas for more work for us,the bloke is completely off his rocker we all know there will be no more time to do these moronic ideas.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by CarryingMGMT »

guardianangel wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 18:25
rubberbond wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 18:06
They waste so much money on stupid projects, no wonder the business is circling the plug hole. Why do we put up with this reinventing the wheel nonsense, all their stupid ideas ever mean is more work for the poor sod trudging the street. In the pantheon of stupid ideas this gets close to automatic redelivery and consumer collect , and the granddaddy of all has to be park and loop, it’s a tough ask sorting through their moronic ideas to find the worst of the worst ,because they have so many but this must be the crowning turd in the water pipe to quote General Melchett.
And Dave Ward telling everyone he wants posties to do more things for the community and new ideas for more work for us,the bloke is completely off his rocker we all know there will be no more time to do these moronic ideas.
Would love to know what that actually meant in meeting room reality.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

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SpacePhoenix wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 12:56

Actually you could solve two problems at the same time. Have just a single manager who's the PIC, does all the main paperwork, etc. Make the remaining managers into "Team Leaders" who'll then be normal posties but with leadership responsibilities

I've been telling them that for years! The COMs made the changes that took out our duties so why can't they share a van and do some delivery work between them on duties that have at least two days worth of mail on them that are still not going out.

In all honesty it might help them to re-focus and revise some of our duties because we have got bits added on that are miles away from the original round.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by ted_e_bear »

Dorset Plodder wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 17:54
Ive got some flats that share a letterbox ... 2 flats to each. My Day Off Cover was forever just delivering one flats Households and leaving the other in the Frame :crazy:

I said FFS mate just take them both and put them through the same letterbox! :arrrghhh He must have been saving literally seconds doing it his way :cuppa
We've got the same on one of our lapsed duties there's 2 blocks of 4 flats with one letterbox each block and some of our valued colleagues only take the d2ds if there's mail :arrrghhh
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by eggraidonmojo »

Two revisions ago, the planners were making us do 40 minute loops with a lwt. We ended up breaking them down in to smaller bags. Yes, we have more stops with us grabbing bags out of the back of the van, but overall it's so much quicker to do.

If you finish before your partner you either tidy the van up a bit, get the next loops ready etc. or go and take a few calls off them so you can move on to the next bit, so that time isn't really wasted.

So much nicer than plodding along with an lwt searching through packed bags for the right packet.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by ted_e_bear »

eggraidonmojo wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 11:15
If you finish before your partner you either tidy the van up a bit, get the next loops ready etc. or go and take a few calls off them so you can move on to the next bit, so that time isn't really wasted.
Yeah that's the important bit, a combination of that plus getting on with your partner can transform the job as opposed to working with someone who's quite happy to stand at the van smoking or playing on their phone.
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Re: LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

Post by Mr Rush »

ted_e_bear wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 15:18
How about refining that suggestion a bit more, perhaps we could give these team leading normal posties an official title, I suggest post person higher grade or PHG for short, they could be paid a supplement for holding that position :chuckle
I swear, if you spend long enough time in this job you see stuff that was axed years ago come right back into vogue (eg. Sunday working). Reinstating the higher grade would provide some kind of job progression for the competent. Hardly meritocratic for busted-down LMs to literally meet the grade, though.
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