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NETWORK CHANGES - LATER START AND FINISH TIMES IN DELIVERY OFFICES
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POSTMAN
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NETWORK CHANGES - LATER START AND FINISH TIMES IN DELIVERY OFFICES
NETWORK CHANGES - LATER START AND FINISH TIMES IN DELIVERY OFFICES
One of the most emotive issues in the recent dispute with Royal Mail Group was undoubtedly later start and finish times in delivery offices.
Royal Mail were always going to serve notice on flights due to cost, quality and the green agenda. This union or no union could have stopped that.
Through the outstanding support of the membership, we moved Royal Mail Group from their original preferred position of 3 hours later for everyone (including Delivery being 9am-5pm) to an agreed ambition of an hour maximum with a fall back of 90 minutes where this was not achievable.
We are pleased to confirm that we have today agreed with Royal Mail a mitigation that no unit will have to finish over 75 minutes - and we are putting forward further mitigation on this.
Across the UK, we have always had a wide range of start and finish times. The challenge for us has been and is obvious - some units are further away from their serving Mail Centres than others and some locations in the UK take longer to get to than others. Nothing has changed there.
With the removal of flights due to environmental and economic reasons this has only intensified the challenge we have been faced with.
That said, we have significantly improved the overall picture through joint working and intensive negotiations. These negotiations are ongoing.
This means the latest position is as follows:
- 1000 Delivery Units under 60 minutes
- 368 Delivery Units with less than 15 minutes impact
- 618 Delivery Units less than 30 minutes.
- 84% of Delivery units to be finished before 15:30
- 96% of Delivery Units finished before 16:00
- 240 units over 60 minutes with now a mitigation which caps this at a maximum of 75 minutes.
During negotiations we have agreed that no unit will have to move start times by 90 minutes. Those units identified for a 61 minute and above change will have the opportunity to move 15 minutes of their meal relief earlier in the day (between waves 1 and 2). This mitigates the change by a further 15 minutes. We are also working with the company to improve the flow of work into the inward mail centres Scotland to seek further mitigation to the changes.
This is biggest change to the Network in a generation and there will be an opportunity to review the outputs after a number of weeks and potentially to reduce the impact on start times further. We believe Royal Mail have been over cautious in their planning and this may help in the review to find further mitigation to start times.
We are also in negotiations with the company to use the seasonal variations whilst in the review period to ensure that until the review has been concluded that no unit will have to finish more than 60 minutes later.
We are determined that with a continued range of interventions and once the new network is operational we can make the move to a maximum of 60 minutes permanent, thus meaning no member has to move more than an hour.
From Monday, members will have new start times displayed in their offices alongside the suggested date for these to commence.
When viewing this information members need to take the details above into account. So if your office says 90 minutes then that will not be the actual case. The recent negotiations hold the field.
Overall, we are confident in the coming weeks that we can continue to improve the picture across the UK. Understandably the employer is nervous about giving further concessions at this juncture but with the support and knowledge of our representatives and members we can make further progress.
Given the crossover between this update and the information Royal Mail will share with you early next week, the CWU will:
⁃ call an all reps briefing online on Monday.
⁃ Produce our own online spreadsheet where members can see details of the proposed changes for their offices.
⁃ Hold multiple live events for with the members next week.
⁃ Produce a range of other communications.
I will finish this communication where it started - this is a very difficult and challenging issue. What is absolutely clear is the interventions of the union and the support of you as members continue to put pressure on the company to put further mitigation on the table.
I am confident that we can get everyone in the UK to a maximum of an hours change - but we can only do that if we stick together.
Yours sincerely
Martin Walsh
Deputy General Secretary (Postal)
One of the most emotive issues in the recent dispute with Royal Mail Group was undoubtedly later start and finish times in delivery offices.
Royal Mail were always going to serve notice on flights due to cost, quality and the green agenda. This union or no union could have stopped that.
Through the outstanding support of the membership, we moved Royal Mail Group from their original preferred position of 3 hours later for everyone (including Delivery being 9am-5pm) to an agreed ambition of an hour maximum with a fall back of 90 minutes where this was not achievable.
We are pleased to confirm that we have today agreed with Royal Mail a mitigation that no unit will have to finish over 75 minutes - and we are putting forward further mitigation on this.
Across the UK, we have always had a wide range of start and finish times. The challenge for us has been and is obvious - some units are further away from their serving Mail Centres than others and some locations in the UK take longer to get to than others. Nothing has changed there.
With the removal of flights due to environmental and economic reasons this has only intensified the challenge we have been faced with.
That said, we have significantly improved the overall picture through joint working and intensive negotiations. These negotiations are ongoing.
This means the latest position is as follows:
- 1000 Delivery Units under 60 minutes
- 368 Delivery Units with less than 15 minutes impact
- 618 Delivery Units less than 30 minutes.
- 84% of Delivery units to be finished before 15:30
- 96% of Delivery Units finished before 16:00
- 240 units over 60 minutes with now a mitigation which caps this at a maximum of 75 minutes.
During negotiations we have agreed that no unit will have to move start times by 90 minutes. Those units identified for a 61 minute and above change will have the opportunity to move 15 minutes of their meal relief earlier in the day (between waves 1 and 2). This mitigates the change by a further 15 minutes. We are also working with the company to improve the flow of work into the inward mail centres Scotland to seek further mitigation to the changes.
This is biggest change to the Network in a generation and there will be an opportunity to review the outputs after a number of weeks and potentially to reduce the impact on start times further. We believe Royal Mail have been over cautious in their planning and this may help in the review to find further mitigation to start times.
We are also in negotiations with the company to use the seasonal variations whilst in the review period to ensure that until the review has been concluded that no unit will have to finish more than 60 minutes later.
We are determined that with a continued range of interventions and once the new network is operational we can make the move to a maximum of 60 minutes permanent, thus meaning no member has to move more than an hour.
From Monday, members will have new start times displayed in their offices alongside the suggested date for these to commence.
When viewing this information members need to take the details above into account. So if your office says 90 minutes then that will not be the actual case. The recent negotiations hold the field.
Overall, we are confident in the coming weeks that we can continue to improve the picture across the UK. Understandably the employer is nervous about giving further concessions at this juncture but with the support and knowledge of our representatives and members we can make further progress.
Given the crossover between this update and the information Royal Mail will share with you early next week, the CWU will:
⁃ call an all reps briefing online on Monday.
⁃ Produce our own online spreadsheet where members can see details of the proposed changes for their offices.
⁃ Hold multiple live events for with the members next week.
⁃ Produce a range of other communications.
I will finish this communication where it started - this is a very difficult and challenging issue. What is absolutely clear is the interventions of the union and the support of you as members continue to put pressure on the company to put further mitigation on the table.
I am confident that we can get everyone in the UK to a maximum of an hours change - but we can only do that if we stick together.
Yours sincerely
Martin Walsh
Deputy General Secretary (Postal)
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Weetrogg2
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Re: Network Changes - Later Start and Finish Times in Delivery Offices
I’ve been involved in my area for a few months now and we have managed to keep the finish times for most offices before 15:30 but a couple of the outlying DOs are an issue.
During the discussion I have been ( yet again) deeply disappointed with the input/help of the Div reps. I believe that if the PIRs are actioned then every DO could see an improvement on their new start times but this will depend on the divisional rep firstly genuinely listening to our solutions/improvements and secondly fighting our corner with senior management to implement the improvements instead of coming out with quotes like “it’s been agreed nationally”.
As an aside I don’t think the new times are a end point, under the new system the MC would be dispatching 40 17t/7.5t vehicles on the final dispatch with over 90% carrying only 1 York, this makes no sense economically or environmentally, we shall see.
During the discussion I have been ( yet again) deeply disappointed with the input/help of the Div reps. I believe that if the PIRs are actioned then every DO could see an improvement on their new start times but this will depend on the divisional rep firstly genuinely listening to our solutions/improvements and secondly fighting our corner with senior management to implement the improvements instead of coming out with quotes like “it’s been agreed nationally”.
As an aside I don’t think the new times are a end point, under the new system the MC would be dispatching 40 17t/7.5t vehicles on the final dispatch with over 90% carrying only 1 York, this makes no sense economically or environmentally, we shall see.
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heraldmoth
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Re: NETWORK CHANGES - LATER START AND FINISH TIMES IN DELIVERY OFFICES
You can’t dress this up as a victory, you can try but it won’t wash. The only upside of this job is an early finish without that carrot it’s just a sh1t job with sh1t hours
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claystones
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Re: NETWORK CHANGES - LATER START AND FINISH TIMES IN DELIVERY OFFICES
Martin are you in the real world
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Philbag70
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Re: NETWORK CHANGES - LATER START AND FINISH TIMES IN DELIVERY OFFICES
This is completely unacceptable. You have let us down badly. Congratulations on colluding with RM and giving them carte blanch to do whatever the hell they like.
Despicable and dishonest behaviour
Despicable and dishonest behaviour
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worktotime
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Re: NETWORK CHANGES - LATER START AND FINISH TIMES IN DELIVERY OFFICES
its a joke trying to make out that youve got some type of victory for your members
, all youve done is joined with the company and s**t on your members , oh well lets see how many more pull there cw who ? subs when the times are put up . 
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postslippete
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Re: NETWORK CHANGES - LATER START AND FINISH TIMES IN DELIVERY OFFICES
The CWU saying that no union could have "stopped it" is akin to saying that if the company really wants to do then it's powerless to prevent it. I'm fairly certain that Royal Mail had no intentions of us starting and finishing 3 hours later!!
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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qwerty2
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Re: NETWORK CHANGES - LATER START AND FINISH TIMES IN DELIVERY OFFICES
Royal mail has sent letters out to everyone today
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Jack1960
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Re: NETWORK CHANGES - LATER START AND FINISH TIMES IN DELIVERY OFFICES
Putting lipstick on a pig still makes it a pig as someone once said.POSTMAN wrote: ↑16 Feb 2024, 21:06NETWORK CHANGES - LATER START AND FINISH TIMES IN DELIVERY OFFICES
One of the most emotive issues in the recent dispute with Royal Mail Group was undoubtedly later start and finish times in delivery offices.
Royal Mail were always going to serve notice on flights due to cost, quality and the green agenda. This union or no union could have stopped that.
Through the outstanding support of the membership, we moved Royal Mail Group from their original preferred position of 3 hours later for everyone (including Delivery being 9am-5pm) to an agreed ambition of an hour maximum with a fall back of 90 minutes where this was not achievable.
We are pleased to confirm that we have today agreed with Royal Mail a mitigation that no unit will have to finish over 75 minutes - and we are putting forward further mitigation on this.
Across the UK, we have always had a wide range of start and finish times. The challenge for us has been and is obvious - some units are further away from their serving Mail Centres than others and some locations in the UK take longer to get to than others. Nothing has changed there.
With the removal of flights due to environmental and economic reasons this has only intensified the challenge we have been faced with.
That said, we have significantly improved the overall picture through joint working and intensive negotiations. These negotiations are ongoing.
This means the latest position is as follows:
- 1000 Delivery Units under 60 minutes
- 368 Delivery Units with less than 15 minutes impact
- 618 Delivery Units less than 30 minutes.
- 84% of Delivery units to be finished before 15:30
- 96% of Delivery Units finished before 16:00
- 240 units over 60 minutes with now a mitigation which caps this at a maximum of 75 minutes.
During negotiations we have agreed that no unit will have to move start times by 90 minutes. Those units identified for a 61 minute and above change will have the opportunity to move 15 minutes of their meal relief earlier in the day (between waves 1 and 2). This mitigates the change by a further 15 minutes. We are also working with the company to improve the flow of work into the inward mail centres Scotland to seek further mitigation to the changes.
This is biggest change to the Network in a generation and there will be an opportunity to review the outputs after a number of weeks and potentially to reduce the impact on start times further. We believe Royal Mail have been over cautious in their planning and this may help in the review to find further mitigation to start times.
We are also in negotiations with the company to use the seasonal variations whilst in the review period to ensure that until the review has been concluded that no unit will have to finish more than 60 minutes later.
We are determined that with a continued range of interventions and once the new network is operational we can make the move to a maximum of 60 minutes permanent, thus meaning no member has to move more than an hour.
From Monday, members will have new start times displayed in their offices alongside the suggested date for these to commence.
When viewing this information members need to take the details above into account. So if your office says 90 minutes then that will not be the actual case. The recent negotiations hold the field.
Overall, we are confident in the coming weeks that we can continue to improve the picture across the UK. Understandably the employer is nervous about giving further concessions at this juncture but with the support and knowledge of our representatives and members we can make further progress.
Given the crossover between this update and the information Royal Mail will share with you early next week, the CWU will:
⁃ call an all reps briefing online on Monday.
⁃ Produce our own online spreadsheet where members can see details of the proposed changes for their offices.
⁃ Hold multiple live events for with the members next week.
⁃ Produce a range of other communications.
I will finish this communication where it started - this is a very difficult and challenging issue. What is absolutely clear is the interventions of the union and the support of you as members continue to put pressure on the company to put further mitigation on the table.
I am confident that we can get everyone in the UK to a maximum of an hours change - but we can only do that if we stick together.
Yours sincerely
Martin Walsh
Deputy General Secretary (Postal)
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claretandblue
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Re: NETWORK CHANGES - LATER START AND FINISH TIMES IN DELIVERY OFFICES
How does moving your meal relief mean you can finish earlier?
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rubberbond
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Re: Network Changes - Later Start and Finish Times in Delivery Offices
That’s just madness, what’s going on with this company, what about SD’s , it’s difficult enough to get to the far flung places for 13:00 as it is , without the disadvantage of being an hour later. Has anyone thought any of this through.
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Hairyones
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Re: Network Changes - Later Start and Finish Times in Delivery Offices
Where’s the fairness in some offices finishing 15 mins later and others 90 mins ?
Luck of the draw attitude stinks!
Luck of the draw attitude stinks!
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scoobydo79
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Re: NETWORK CHANGES - LATER START AND FINISH TIMES IN DELIVERY OFFICES
Exactly. Let us think it will be three hours later then halve it and it looks like a good result. Well it isn’tpostslippete wrote: ↑17 Feb 2024, 06:48The CWU saying that no union could have "stopped it" is akin to saying that if the company really wants to do then it's powerless to prevent it. I'm fairly certain that Royal Mail had no intentions of us starting and finishing 3 hours later!!
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scoobydo79
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dazzler123
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Re: NETWORK CHANGES - LATER START AND FINISH TIMES IN DELIVERY OFFICES
i assume work it and finish 15 mins earlyclaretandblue wrote: ↑17 Feb 2024, 12:32How does moving your meal relief mean you can finish earlier?